Europa-List Digest Archive

Wed 01/24/18


Total Messages Posted: 25



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:39 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (Brian Davies)
     2. 03:31 AM - Re: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas (david park)
     3. 07:27 AM - Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage (n7188u)
     4. 08:32 AM - Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage (AirEupora)
     5. 08:58 AM - Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage (n7188u)
     6. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage (Jeff B)
     7. 09:02 AM - Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage (AirEupora)
     8. 09:03 AM - Amount of Redux needed at each stage (n7188u)
     9. 09:05 AM - Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage (AirEupora)
    10. 09:31 AM - Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
    11. 10:37 AM - Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage (n7188u)
    12. 11:57 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Materials_used_in_fuselage_and_wing? ()
    13. 12:28 PM - Re: Materials used in fuselage and wing (n7188u)
    14. 12:42 PM - Heated pitot (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
    15. 01:46 PM - Re: Heated pitot (Paul McAllister)
    16. 02:20 PM - Re: Amount of Redux needed at each stage (Graeme Hart)
    17. 03:00 PM - Re: Amount of Redux needed at each stage (n7188u)
    18. 03:24 PM - Re: Heated pitot (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
    19. 04:06 PM - Re: rotax integrated alternator warning light (BobD)
    20. 05:05 PM - Re: Re: Amount of Redux needed at each stage (Graeme Hart)
    21. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Amount of Redux needed at each stage (William Daniell)
    22. 07:06 PM - Re: Re: rotax integrated alternator warning light (Bud Yerly)
    23. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: Amount of Redux needed at each stage (Graeme Hart)
    24. 07:29 PM - Re: Heated pitot (Bud Yerly)
    25. 07:32 PM - Back up engine instruments (William Daniell)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:39:29 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Davies" <brian.davies44@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    Hi Dave, It is not possible to make the LAA Standard mod fit every solution out there. My advice would be to apply for a prototype mod specifically for your aircraft. That is what I did for my aircraft as a precursor to requesting the standard mod. Regards Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david park Sent: 23 January 2018 18:10 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Is there any accommodation for owners who have previously had an alloy angle welded up and have been operating safely for years? Regards Dave Park G-LDVO > On 23 Jan 2018, at 14:18, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.com> wrote: > > --> <brian.davies44@gmail.com> > > Update on the LAA Standard Mod for UK owners to replace the XS filler elbow with an aluminium one. The Mod is now prepared and is awaiting final signature. It will approve the use of Tim's 53 degree elbow and also a 60 degree elbow that is available ex-stock from http://www.autosiliconehoses.com Look under Custom Alloy Hose Pipe Joiner. They cost Uk12 plus postage. Tim's elbow is a better fit in most installations but if you are in a hurry and cannot wait for the next production run you have the option of the 60 degree elbow available now. > The Standard Mod requires the use of fuel proof connecting hoses ( Samco Profuel or equivalent) and this is available in short lengths from www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk currently on 22 days back order, currently UK 11.24 plus VAT and postage. > > That should give you sufficient information to order parts with confidence that the Mod will be available by the time you have the parts. > > Regards > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian > Davies > Sent: 29 December 2017 17:33 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December > 2017 All Europas > > --> <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> > > Hi Jon, > > The standard lengths are 76mm so I have ordered two . You need about 30mm overlap on to each joint surface and there are effectively 4 joint surfaces. > > Regards > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JonSmith > Sent: 29 December 2017 11:48 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 > All Europas > > --> <jonsmitheuropa@tiscali.co.uk> > > Hi Brian, I am going to order the Profuel joint from Merlin as you described, in anticipation of the standard mod. I bought one of Tims aluminium elbows some years ago but never got around to fitting it and its still in my garage! > Sorry for a silly question but do you think I need two of them (one for each end) or will one of them cut into two be sufficient? > Cheers! > > > brian.davies44(at)gmail.c wrote: >> As I explained in an earlier e-mail, there is no LAA Standard Mod to fit an aluminium elbow on an XS Europa. As nobody has applied for a standard Mod I have agreed with Andy Draper that I will do so. It will be based on Tim Ward's aluminium elbow and will use Samco Profuel joints. These can be purchased from www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk in a short length of 76mm for UK Pounds 11.24 plus VAT and postage. Currently there is a 39 day lead time on this item. Part number PSCH51-BLU >> >> I will give you a progress report after Christmas. >> >> Regards >> >> Brian Davies >> >> -- > > > -------- > G-TERN > Classic Mono > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476852#476852 > > > > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:31:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas
    From: david park <dpark748@me.com>
    Thanks Brian, Will do Regards Dave Park G-LDVO > On 24 Jan 2018, at 09:37, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Dave, > > It is not possible to make the LAA Standard mod fit every solution out there. My advice would be to apply for a prototype mod specifically for your aircraft. That is what I did for my aircraft as a precursor to requesting the standard mod. > > Regards > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david park > Sent: 23 January 2018 18:10 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas > > > Is there any accommodation for owners who have previously had an alloy angle welded up and have been operating safely for years? > Regards > Dave Park G-LDVO > > >> On 23 Jan 2018, at 14:18, Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> --> <brian.davies44@gmail.com> >> >> Update on the LAA Standard Mod for UK owners to replace the XS filler elbow with an aluminium one. The Mod is now prepared and is awaiting final signature. It will approve the use of Tim's 53 degree elbow and also a 60 degree elbow that is available ex-stock from http://www.autosiliconehoses.com Look under Custom Alloy Hose Pipe Joiner. They cost Uk12 plus postage. Tim's elbow is a better fit in most installations but if you are in a hurry and cannot wait for the next production run you have the option of the 60 degree elbow available now. >> The Standard Mod requires the use of fuel proof connecting hoses ( Samco Profuel or equivalent) and this is available in short lengths from www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk currently on 22 days back order, currently UK 11.24 plus VAT and postage. >> >> That should give you sufficient information to order parts with confidence that the Mod will be available by the time you have the parts. >> >> Regards >> >> Brian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian >> Davies >> Sent: 29 December 2017 17:33 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December >> 2017 All Europas >> >> --> <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> >> >> Hi Jon, >> >> The standard lengths are 76mm so I have ordered two . You need about 30mm overlap on to each joint surface and there are effectively 4 joint surfaces. >> >> Regards >> >> Brian >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JonSmith >> Sent: 29 December 2017 11:48 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 >> All Europas >> >> --> <jonsmitheuropa@tiscali.co.uk> >> >> Hi Brian, I am going to order the Profuel joint from Merlin as you described, in anticipation of the standard mod. I bought one of Tims aluminium elbows some years ago but never got around to fitting it and its still in my garage! >> Sorry for a silly question but do you think I need two of them (one for each end) or will one of them cut into two be sufficient? >> Cheers! >> >> >> brian.davies44(at)gmail.c wrote: >>> As I explained in an earlier e-mail, there is no LAA Standard Mod to fit an aluminium elbow on an XS Europa. As nobody has applied for a standard Mod I have agreed with Andy Draper that I will do so. It will be based on Tim Ward's aluminium elbow and will use Samco Profuel joints. These can be purchased from www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk in a short length of 76mm for UK Pounds 11.24 plus VAT and postage. Currently there is a 39 day lead time on this item. Part number PSCH51-BLU >>> >>> I will give you a progress report after Christmas. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Brian Davies >>> >>> -- >> >> >> -------- >> G-TERN >> Classic Mono >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476852#476852 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:27:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage
    From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
    Dear forum members, The kit I got (XS Mono) has a modification made in the canoe where the two small fuel fitting holes at the bottom where converted to a large single gaping hole (ugh!). Not a fan of this modification since I am more about strength than convenience and I also think it will upset the fitting of the cockpit module some (bumps on the inside where glass was added to create a flange around the hole) So my question is whether this is a documented mod (this is the US so it doesn't have to be a formal approved mod). But I am looking for size and how other people have built the flange, etc. as well as whether this mod is OK and being done out there (experiences, history). Best, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477530#477530


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    Time: 08:32:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage
    From: "AirEupora" <AirEupora@sbcglobal.net>
    I have seem a number of pictures from the group showing this enlarged access panel, I have thought about modifying mine as the two small panel hole are just too small to do anything in this area. I just went through the five year cycle of changing all of my fuel hoses. This enlarged hole would have help a lot. If you have it the now I'd kept it. The cockpit module should clear it with no problems. Go back through the pictures from the old web site there are lot of pictures and you might find one you need. Also give Bud a call. If you have a Tri-gear then there is also a panel that has been used by a lot of the builders where the mono tire was. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477531#477531


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    Time: 08:58:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage
    From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
    Thanks for the reply AirEuropa. I will look for the pictures but where is this old web site you refer to? Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477532#477532


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    Time: 09:00:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage
    From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
    Our Tri-Gear has had the same mod since first flight. Seamless installation with no interference anywhere. Jeff "I believe that forgiving them is God's function. Our job is to arrange the meeting." -Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf On 1/24/2018 10:32 AM, AirEupora wrote: > > I have seem a number of pictures from the group showing this enlarged access panel, I have thought about modifying mine as the two small panel hole are just too small to do anything in this area. I just went through the five year cycle of changing all of my fuel hoses. This enlarged hole would have help a lot. If you have it the now I'd kept it. The cockpit module should clear it with no problems. > > Go back through the pictures from the old web site there are lot of pictures and you might find one you need. Also give Bud a call. If you have a Tri-gear then there is also a panel that has been used by a lot of the builders where the mono tire was. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477531#477531 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:02:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage
    From: "AirEupora" <AirEupora@sbcglobal.net>
    I found this on the web site: sidsel.svein(at)oslo.onli Guest PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:42 am Post subject: Bottom cut-outs Put it in the Search and you will see your answer! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477533#477533


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    Time: 09:03:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Amount of Redux needed at each stage
    From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
    Dear forum members, Does anyone remember how much Redux 420 is needed for: Cockpit Module Bonding Fuselage Top/Bottom Bonding Wings Closure I don't need exact numbers, just how much I need to ensure I have available. I have three quart cans, one is verified to be good. if I want to do the cockpit module bonding, do I need to have one quart verified good or two? That is the kind of question I have. By verified I mean checked is it's good since my material are a bit old. I just don't want to open all cans to check if its good and expose all the Redux to air. Thanks, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477534#477534


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    Time: 09:05:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage
    From: "AirEupora" <AirEupora@sbcglobal.net>
    Do you still have the Mooney? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477536#477536


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    Time: 09:31:46 AM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage
    Chris, I have never come across such a thing in this country or Europe and I would be amazed if the LAA would ever approve it. It seems to be asking to seriously reduce the strength in a fairly critical area. It might be worthwhile for you to send pictures to Andy Draper and ask for his views. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2018-01-24 15:27, n7188u wrote: > > Dear forum members, > > The kit I got (XS Mono) has a modification made in the canoe where the two small fuel fitting holes at the bottom where converted to a large single gaping hole (ugh!). > > Not a fan of this modification since I am more about strength than convenience and I also think it will upset the fitting of the cockpit module some (bumps on the inside where glass was added to create a flange around the hole) > > So my question is whether this is a documented mod (this is the US so it doesn't have to be a formal approved mod). But I am looking for size and how other people have built the flange, etc. as well as whether this mod is OK and being done out there (experiences, history). > > Best, > Chris > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477530#477530 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477530#477530 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 10:37:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tank access hole at bottom of fuselage
    From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
    AirEuropa, Not anymore but had that Mooney for 13 years. Nice airplane but lots of work. Regarding the location of such opening, I agree it's awful from a structural standpoint. But only in the longitudinal direction. Not much change laterally since the bottom already has two access holes in that direction. But as the owner of an older partially built kit, I new some things would not be to my standard of quality and would have to be fixed. And I can assure you, it has been very educational :) As they say, the beauty of composites is that almost anything can be fixed! Now I know how. BTW, hence my previous (unanswered) post asking to see if anyone knew the pre-preg materials used in the fuselage. Important info if repairs are to be made. Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477539#477539


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    Time: 11:57:07 AM PST US
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    Subject: Re: f-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Materials_used_in_fuselage_and_wing?
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    Time: 12:28:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Materials used in fuselage and wing
    From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
    Thanks for the explanation Mike. It makes sense. I like the explanation about how to get in there and scrape excess epoxy :) In any case, I think that my original question was not clear enough. I was asking about the specific material used to mold the fuselage and wing (pre-preg). I wanted to know the glass type, number of layers and epoxy used in case anyone knew. I may have to do a few repairs in my kit and need that info to design a repair. Thanks and Best Regards, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477546#477546


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    Time: 12:42:45 PM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Heated pitot
    A year or so ago I remember reading someone's account of designing his own heated pitot tube using only v. modest amounts of electricity. I thought I had carefully filed the article but cannot find it. Does anyone have the details or know what progress has been made? Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ


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    Time: 01:46:53 PM PST US
    From: Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Heated pitot
    I downloaded this document written by Eric M. Jones describing a low energy heated pitot tube. It was on my "to do" list but I never got around to it. On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:41 PM, <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote: > > > A year or so ago I remember reading someone's account of designing his own > heated pitot tube using only v. modest amounts of electricity. I thought I > had carefully filed the article but cannot find it. Does anyone have the > details or know what progress has been made? > > Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ > >


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    Time: 02:20:06 PM PST US
    From: Graeme Hart <graeme.hart@onecoolkat.com>
    Subject: Re: Amount of Redux needed at each stage
    I was told by Europa that I needed six cans - my cockpit module is already bonded in and one wing closed but I'm also doing the hi top mod. Looking at how much I have it seems excessive but as the cost of shipping to NZ exceeds the cost of the adhesive I was cautious and bought six cans. On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 6:02 AM, n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear forum members, > > Does anyone remember how much Redux 420 is needed for: > > Cockpit Module Bonding > Fuselage Top/Bottom Bonding > Wings Closure > > I don't need exact numbers, just how much I need to ensure I have > available. I have three quart cans, one is verified to be good. if I want > to do the cockpit module bonding, do I need to have one quart verified good > or two? That is the kind of question I have. > > By verified I mean checked is it's good since my material are a bit old. I > just don't want to open all cans to check if its good and expose all the > Redux to air. > > Thanks, > Chris > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477534#477534 > >


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    Time: 03:00:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Amount of Redux needed at each stage
    From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
    Thanks, I assume that by six cans you mean 3 quart kits. I was told 3 quarts is what is supplied in the kit. I am hoping to get a very rough estimate of the amount needed for the three stages I mentioned. Just in terms of half can, quarter can, etc. Sounds like a weird request but it will help me keep the cans closed until the moment they are needed (this stuff is like gold so might as well keep it as such!). Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477552#477552


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    Time: 03:24:27 PM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: Re: Heated pitot
    Paul, Many thanks but I seem to have only got a picture with no text. Regards, David On 2018-01-24 21:46, Paul McAllister wrote: > I downloaded this document written by Eric M. Jones describing a low energy heated pitot tube. It was on my "to do" list but I never got around to it. > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:41 PM, <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote: > >> A year or so ago I remember reading someone's account of designing his own heated pitot tube using only v. modest amounts of electricity. I thought I had carefully filed the article but cannot find it. Does anyone have the details or know what progress has been made? >> >> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ


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    Time: 04:06:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: rotax integrated alternator warning light
    From: "BobD" <rjd@bobdawson.plus.com>
    I discovered the warning light I have used is polarity sensitive, so when I swapped the wires, the light did indeed come on with the Master Switch. I'll take it on faith at the moment that it extinguishes once the engine is running, as I didn't start her up today. -------- Bob Dawson XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477554#477554


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    Time: 05:05:30 PM PST US
    From: Graeme Hart <graeme.hart@onecoolkat.com>
    Subject: Re: Amount of Redux needed at each stage
    No I mean 6 kits. I don't know what a quart is in terms of weight but the "Part A" of the packs I have is 1kg which is about 2.2 pounds. I'd rather have too much than too little as the cost of shipping exceeded the cost of the adhesive and the cost of shipping was largely independent of the amount of adhesive I was shipping (due to dangerous goods paperwork, special packaging, handling etc) If I was in your position I'd take the risk and just go ahead with the adhesive you have and consider ordering more once the cockpit is in and one wing is closed. It does seem like I've got an excessive amount of adhesive so I may have some to sell in a year or so. On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:00 PM, n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks, > > I assume that by six cans you mean 3 quart kits. I was told 3 quarts is > what is supplied in the kit. I am hoping to get a very rough estimate of > the amount needed for the three stages I mentioned. Just in terms of half > can, quarter can, etc. > > Sounds like a weird request but it will help me keep the cans closed until > the moment they are needed (this stuff is like gold so might as well keep > it as such!). > > Chris > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477552#477552 > >


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    Time: 06:54:10 PM PST US
    From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Amount of Redux needed at each stage
    My experience is that you need to lay it on thick in the middle of the bond and then ensure that it squeezes out the sides. This avoids having voids in the bond. I spent quite a lot of time with a high power light, a 1/8 drill and a syringe after my first bonds. Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Graeme Hart <graeme.hart@onecoolkat.com> wrote: > No I mean 6 kits. I don't know what a quart is in terms of weight but the > "Part A" of the packs I have is 1kg which is about 2.2 pounds. > > I'd rather have too much than too little as the cost of shipping exceeded > the cost of the adhesive and the cost of shipping was largely independent > of the amount of adhesive I was shipping (due to dangerous goods paperwork, > special packaging, handling etc) > > If I was in your position I'd take the risk and just go ahead with the > adhesive you have and consider ordering more once the cockpit is in and one > wing is closed. > > It does seem like I've got an excessive amount of adhesive so I may have > some to sell in a year or so. > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:00 PM, n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Thanks, >> >> I assume that by six cans you mean 3 quart kits. I was told 3 quarts is >> what is supplied in the kit. I am hoping to get a very rough estimate of >> the amount needed for the three stages I mentioned. Just in terms of half >> can, quarter can, etc. >> >> Sounds like a weird request but it will help me keep the cans closed >> until the moment they are needed (this stuff is like gold so might as well >> keep it as such!). >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477552#477552 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> =================================== >> pa-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/ >> Navigator?Europa-List >> =================================== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> =================================== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> =================================== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> =================================== >> >> >> >> >


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    Time: 07:06:23 PM PST US
    From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: rotax integrated alternator warning light
    Bob, It is interesting that what was old is new again. In a 1998 discussion the voltage warning bulb is a grain of wheat bulb or 3 W/12V standard incandescent bulb. It should not be a LED in a Ducati Regul ator. Note the older Rotax installation manuals. The new 912 install manual is v ery poor in describing the electrical installation for some reason. The bui ld manual Chapter 25 indicates the same to use a 3W bulb. Long answer Ducati Only: Battery voltage at B+ is supplied to the regulator and in the circuit the L or light is connected to the C or control (Bus Voltage) and is to be withi n .2 Volts of battery. When the regulator C and R, and B+ are powered by t he battery the light is illuminated because the voltage output of the gener ator side(also the L) is at Zero volts (basically ground). When the engine is started the Alternator supplies AC voltage to the Regula tor via GG and converts it to DC voltage. As the voltage output rises, the L circuit is powered by the generated output of the Alternator and as the L and C voltage near equal voltage, the lamp then goes out indicating the a lternator is generating charging voltage. In the event the alternator stator fails L goes to ground or less than bat tery voltage, the light illuminates, warning the pilot of the output failur e as C voltage is greater than L voltage. Unfortunately if the Regulator f ails internally, the light will not work leaving your first clue the regula tor failed is a low voltage warning or dead battery. Hence the term idiot light. If you have a LED installed as the alternator warning light, you have a pro blem. The LED takes 1.2 volts to energize and of course only works one way as you found out. I have seen them work or not work as this is a temperam ental current circuit. I won=92t argue the point. With a Ducati, just put in a grain of wheat bul b and be done with it. Do not put in a circuit breaker or fuse in the warn ing light circuit as the 3Watt bulb is the circuit protection. It will blo w before the wire will fry. 20 or 22 gauge wire is all that is needed to w ire this circuit, as no fuse is really necessary. Should you decide on a Schicke GR6 voltage regulator, that solid state unit does require an LED and a .5 amp fuse in the warning circuit as it is a to tally different design. The LAA requires a warning light, however in other parts of the world if on e has a volt meter or low voltage warning system, a warning light is not re quired. I am the department of redundant redundancy, I have an idiot light , low voltage warning on the EFIS and a volt/amp meter. Trouble shooting i s a breeze. Regards, Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations, Inc. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr onics.com> on behalf of BobD <rjd@bobdawson.plus.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 7:05:57 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: rotax integrated alternator warning light I discovered the warning light I have used is polarity sensitive, so when I swapped the wires, the light did indeed come on with the Master Switch. I' ll take it on faith at the moment that it extinguishes once the engine is r unning, as I didn't start her up today. -------- Bob Dawson XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ Read this topic online here: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.m atronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D477554%23477554&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb018 da16059849c1e06c08d56387f03a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6 36524357864141437&sdata=KEs5dQq1Fj6Q2ZzUbklKcshD8lQk3vy6hBdl3ozZxpw%3D&re served=0 F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb018da1 6059849c1e06c08d56387f03a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6365 24357864141437&sdata=HqRl0WraM%2BHU4vI1Z4nE0iw0SSUHttqpqa5LFoiQrTk%3D&res erved=0 F%2Fforums.matronics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb018da16059849c1e06c08d56387f0 3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636524357864141437&sdata= IUO12J4q%2FzVTSmXyBfxChKBrrP5rB1bRwCIaoeLWYxU%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwiki.matronics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb018da16059849c1e06c08d56387f03a %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636524357864141437&sdata=OW CdAu5qs5eZ2cMvAGhbSD4YmCUaDbyyiU4uMntMCGY%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2Fcontribution&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb018da16059849c1e0 6c08d56387f03a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636524357864141 437&sdata=KGu0gj4zZnnrcKzXrl6FhV6OVVjgwSynhIy7msX9Qcs%3D&reserved=0


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    Time: 07:09:13 PM PST US
    From: Graeme Hart <graeme.hart@onecoolkat.com>
    Subject: Re: Amount of Redux needed at each stage
    That is a very useful piece of information. I think I have enough that it won't matter if I wipe of a lot of excess. On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:53 PM, William Daniell < wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote: > My experience is that you need to lay it on thick in the middle of the > bond and then ensure that it squeezes out the sides. This avoids having > voids in the bond. I spent quite a lot of time with a high power light, a > 1/8 drill and a syringe after my first bonds. > > Will > > William Daniell > LONGPORT > +57 310 295 0744 > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Graeme Hart <graeme.hart@onecoolkat.com> > wrote: > >> No I mean 6 kits. I don't know what a quart is in terms of weight but >> the "Part A" of the packs I have is 1kg which is about 2.2 pounds. >> >> I'd rather have too much than too little as the cost of shipping exceeded >> the cost of the adhesive and the cost of shipping was largely independent >> of the amount of adhesive I was shipping (due to dangerous goods paperwork, >> special packaging, handling etc) >> >> If I was in your position I'd take the risk and just go ahead with the >> adhesive you have and consider ordering more once the cockpit is in and one >> wing is closed. >> >> It does seem like I've got an excessive amount of adhesive so I may have >> some to sell in a year or so. >> >> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:00 PM, n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> I assume that by six cans you mean 3 quart kits. I was told 3 quarts is >>> what is supplied in the kit. I am hoping to get a very rough estimate of >>> the amount needed for the three stages I mentioned. Just in terms of half >>> can, quarter can, etc. >>> >>> Sounds like a weird request but it will help me keep the cans closed >>> until the moment they are needed (this stuff is like gold so might as well >>> keep it as such!). >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477552#477552 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> pa-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/ >>> Navigator?Europa-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> WIKI - >>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >


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    Time: 07:29:03 PM PST US
    From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Heated pitot
    Paul, I really like and use Eric=92s stuff! I last talked to Eric about 6 years ago, he hasn=92t finished his pitot hea ter. It was self regulating by use of the PTCs and he never finished as th ere were some issues. The FAA test is to freeze water in the pitot at 40 b elow and see if the heat clears it within some short time set by the Feds. He and I talked about it, I felt it would be worth it for those light snow and drizzle days, but I don=92t fly in that anymore so I dropped the idea also. All the 7-10 amp ones (Dynon/Gretz etc.) in Aircraft Spruce for experimenta ls work OK. Just 7 amps! I=92ve installed three. They do have a PTC type circuit to limit the amps to what is required so they are somewhat reasona ble to install. I would recommend a second alternator though. Regards, Bud Yerly Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr onics.com> on behalf of Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 4:46:27 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heated pitot I downloaded this document written by Eric M. Jones describing a low energy heated pitot tube. It was on my "to do" list but I never got around to it . On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:41 PM, <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk<mailto:davidjoy ce@doctors.org.uk>> wrote: A year or so ago I remember reading someone's account of designing his own heated pitot tube using only v. modest amounts of electricity. I thought I had carefully filed the article but cannot find it. Does anyone have the de tails or know what progress has been made? Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ


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    Time: 07:32:22 PM PST US
    From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
    Subject: Back up engine instruments
    Following the unbidden rebooting of my SkyView I have ordered a levil. What is the group think on the minimum back up engine instruments? My thinking is that the airmaster should keep the Rpm under control so I don't need Rpm. However I do need MAP to avoid overboost given that I have a manual wastegate. And I figure on an oil temp gauge. And that's it. Will (By the way does anyone know of a map gauge that works with the dynon electric sensor?)




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