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4. 05:30 AM - Re: Re: Aluminium Elbow (Peter Jeffers)
5. 06:24 AM - Re: Aluminium Elbow (JonSmith)
6. 07:28 AM - Re: Fw: Motorglider Airbrakes (h&jeuropa)
7. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Aluminium Elbow (Tim Ward)
8. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: Aluminium Elbow (Brian Davies)
9. 09:14 AM - Am Odyssey EFIS users out there? (Europa48)
10. 09:16 AM - Europa Cabin heater. (Europa48)
11. 11:08 AM - Re: Aluminium Elbow (Europa48)
12. 12:36 PM - Re: Aluminium Elbow (Roland)
13. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: Aluminium Elbow (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
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Subject: | Re: Aluminium Elbow |
Hi Tim,
I am not sure if I am missing something but I have been looking on the
AutoSilicon web site and I cannot find anything referring to a 60 degree
elbow. They certainly seem to have 45 degree & 90 degree elbows but no
60 degree ones. Now does this matter or will a 45 degree one fit
adequately. Caution also that the website does not distinguish by name
between alloy and plastic elbows. The plastic ones are not suitable for
fuel.
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward
Sent: 27 January 2018 09:52
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Aluminium Elbow
Hi All
Brian Davies has kindly applied to the UKLAA for Modifications approval
regarding the fuel filler elbow from the cobra to the tank. These should
be signed off shortly.
He has presented two options, one being the 53 degree aluminium pipe I
supply and the other the AutoSilicon 60 degree hose.
There is a considerable price difference regarding the two systems.
Before ordering the aluminium pipes I need a firm commitment from you as
I don=99t want to end up with unsold pipes. If you decide not to
go with the aluminium pipe then I entirely understand.
The cost of the aluminium pipe would be =C2=A325 each plus postage
within UK as I can transport them there myself, although the cost is not
a lot less from sending them direct from NZ.
This is double the cost of the AutoSilicon 60 degree pipe which is
=C2=A312.42 each plus postage.
http://www.autosiliconehoses.com/
Four fuel Clips and hose couplings are an added cost for the
builder/owner in both options.
<http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/> http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/
Please email me if you still would like the Aluminium Tube.
Look forward to your reply.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
Tim Ward
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Subject: | Re: Aluminium Elbow |
Pete,
This is a 60 deg aluminium elbow as listed on ASH;
http://www.autosiliconehoses.com/silicone-hose-shop/alloy-stainless-steel-pipes/60-alloy-elbows.html
And this one is a 60 deg silicone elbow also on ASH.
http://www.autosiliconehoses.com/silicone-hose-shop/performance-silicone-hoses/60-silicone-elbows.html
Ive no idea if either or both are suitable for fuel or not, I just saw them on
their website. Doesnt affect me anyway as I have one of Tims elbows (which are
very good!)
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Subject: | Re: Aluminium Elbow |
Cont.....
Actually re. the ASH silicone hose above I dont think is made of the right stuff
to be fuel resistant.
This one from Merlin probably is (same material as the coupling hose that Brian
is putting in the mod) - but just by looking Im not sure if the elbows would
be long enough? Doh!
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-60-degree-silicone-hose-elbow-pe60
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Subject: | Re: Aluminium Elbow |
Hi Jon,
I think the 60 degree elbow you mention may be OK but it still needs to be connected
at both ends using some form of fuel proof connector. However this elbow
is NOT the subject of the standard mod being proposed and approved by the LAA
at present.
That Standard Mod from Brian Davies which WILL be approved, uses either an aluminium (aluminum) elbow supplied by Tim Ward in NZ or a 60 degree aluminium elbow available from http://www.autosiliconehoses.com/ In both cases the elbow is connected to tank and Cobra using ProFuel (fuel proof) hoses and clips.
Pete Jeffers LAA Inspector to the Europa Club
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Cont.....
Actually re. the ASH silicone hose above I dont think is made of the right stuff
to be fuel resistant.
This one from Merlin probably is (same material as the coupling hose that Brian
is putting in the mod) - but just by looking Im not sure if the elbows would
be long enough? Doh!
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-60-degree-silicone-hose-elbow-pe60
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Subject: | Re: Aluminium Elbow |
Thanks Pete, Im fine with it - Ive already got one of Tims aluminium elbows which
I bought from him a few years ago and never got around to fitting! Ive ordered
a pair of the silicone hose couplers exactly as specified by Brian in the
standard mod which are on back order.
Incidentally my black factory hose, on inspection was in perfect order - but as
the topic is current I may as well take a few minutes to bring it up to the best
specification.....!
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: Motorglider Airbrakes |
Alan,
The bearing you are missing is part number GAB03. Perhaps Europa have some.
I've attached a sketch with dimensions if you have to have them made. The material
is the same Tuffnol used in the cockpit module.
I hope this helps.
Jim Butcher
N241BW
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Subject: | Re: Aluminium Elbow |
Hi Pete,
I found the 60 degree elbow from the =9CSilicon Hoses=9D list (A
utoSilicon Website) down the left hand side of the silicon hose products. Cu
stom built products? Hard to find, I know!
Brian Davies recommended these as an alternative to my aluminium pipe and is
trying to get UKLAA approval from Andy, along with the aluminium pipe. Not s
ure if the material is suitable as I read they are coolant hoses. However I w
ill leave that to the experts to decide, as there are different combinations
of materials they can make them from to resist fuel. See links. Price may d
iffer though.
After my email to builder/owners, expressing an interest in the aluminium pi
pe alternative, and stating the alternative AutoSilicon product, all have go
ne for the aluminium pipe.
I have 35 on order to post soon. The 53 degrees makes an excellent join for t
he rubber couplings to the tank and cobra. The 60 degree AutoSilicon pipe ma
y be hard to completely seal adequately, not sure?
I have not had a problem with the aluminium pipe alternative.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
> On 1/02/2018, at 11:46 PM, Peter Jeffers <pjeffers@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
> I am not sure if I am missing something but I have been looking on the Aut
oSilicon web site and I cannot find anything referring to a 60 degree elbow.
They certainly seem to have 45 degree & 90 degree elbows but no 60 degree o
nes. Now does this matter or will a 45 degree one fit adequately. Caution
also that the website does not distinguish by name between alloy and plasti
c elbows. The plastic ones are not suitable for fuel.
> Pete
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward
> Sent: 27 January 2018 09:52
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Aluminium Elbow
>
> To: Builders/Owners interested in the Aluminium Fuel Elbow.
>
>
> Hi All
> Brian Davies has kindly applied to the UKLAA for Modifications approval re
garding the fuel filler elbow from the cobra to the tank. These should be si
gned off shortly.
> He has presented two options, one being the 53 degree aluminium pipe I sup
ply and the other the AutoSilicon 60 degree hose.
> There is a considerable price difference regarding the two systems.
> Before ordering the aluminium pipes I need a firm commitment from you as I
don=99t want to end up with unsold pipes. If you decide not to go wit
h the aluminium pipe then I entirely understand.
> The cost of the aluminium pipe would be =C2=A325 each plus postage within U
K as I can transport them there myself, although the cost is not a lot less f
rom sending them direct from NZ.
> This is double the cost of the AutoSilicon 60 degree pipe which is =C2=A31
2.42 each plus postage.
> http://www.autosiliconehoses.com/
> Four fuel Clips and hose couplings are an added cost for the builder/owner
in both options.
> http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/
>
>
> Please email me if you still would like the Aluminium Tube.
>
>
> Look forward to your reply.
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
>
>
>
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand
>
>
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>
>
> Mob +64 210640221
>
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand
>
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>
> Mob +64 210640221
>
>
> On 19/12/2017, at 12:02 PM, Matt Dovey <mattdovey@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Not sure if I need one bit put me down any way
>
> Matt
>
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Subject: | Re: Aluminium Elbow |
Tim,
Please note that the Autosilicone hose referred to in the LAA Standard
mod is an ALUMINIUM elbow, not a silicone elbow. It is a direct
alternative to your aluminium pipe. The only difference being that your
elbow is 53 deg and the Autosilicone one is 60 degrees.
Regards
Brian
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Sent: 01 February 2018 15:59
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Aluminium Elbow
Hi Pete,
I found the 60 degree elbow from the =9CSilicon Hoses=9D
list (AutoSilicon Website) down the left hand side of the silicon hose
products. Custom built products? Hard to find, I know!
Brian Davies recommended these as an alternative to my aluminium pipe
and is trying to get UKLAA approval from Andy, along with the aluminium
pipe. Not sure if the material is suitable as I read they are coolant
hoses. However I will leave that to the experts to decide, as there are
different combinations of materials they can make them from to resist
fuel. See links. Price may differ though.
After my email to builder/owners, expressing an interest in the
aluminium pipe alternative, and stating the alternative AutoSilicon
product, all have gone for the aluminium pipe.
I have 35 on order to post soon. The 53 degrees makes an excellent join
for the rubber couplings to the tank and cobra. The 60 degree
AutoSilicon pipe may be hard to completely seal adequately, not sure?
I have not had a problem with the aluminium pipe alternative.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
On 1/02/2018, at 11:46 PM, Peter Jeffers <pjeffers@talktalk.net> wrote:
Hi Tim,
I am not sure if I am missing something but I have been looking on the
AutoSilicon web site and I cannot find anything referring to a 60 degree
elbow. They certainly seem to have 45 degree & 90 degree elbows but no
60 degree ones. Now does this matter or will a 45 degree one fit
adequately. Caution also that the website does not distinguish by name
between alloy and plastic elbows. The plastic ones are not suitable for
fuel.
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward
Sent: 27 January 2018 09:52
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Aluminium Elbow
Hi All
Brian Davies has kindly applied to the UKLAA for Modifications approval
regarding the fuel filler elbow from the cobra to the tank. These should
be signed off shortly.
He has presented two options, one being the 53 degree aluminium pipe I
supply and the other the AutoSilicon 60 degree hose.
There is a considerable price difference regarding the two systems.
Before ordering the aluminium pipes I need a firm commitment from you as
I don=99t want to end up with unsold pipes. If you decide not to
go with the aluminium pipe then I entirely understand.
The cost of the aluminium pipe would be =C2=A325 each plus postage
within UK as I can transport them there myself, although the cost is not
a lot less from sending them direct from NZ.
This is double the cost of the AutoSilicon 60 degree pipe which is
=C2=A312.42 each plus postage.
http://www.autosiliconehoses.com/
Four fuel Clips and hose couplings are an added cost for the
builder/owner in both options.
<http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/> http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/
Please email me if you still would like the Aluminium Tube.
Look forward to your reply.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
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Subject: | Am Odyssey EFIS users out there? |
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Subject: | Re: Aluminium Elbow |
This is the ASH 60 degree elbow:
http://www.autosiliconehoses.com/silicone-hose-shop/alloy-stainless-steel-pipes/60-alloy-elbows.html
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Subject: | Re: Aluminium Elbow |
Hello,
FWIW I ordered the 60 Samco Profuel Silicone hose https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-60-degree-silicone-hose-elbow-pe60
Normally the legs from the bend measure 102 mm, but I got them to manufacture one
with 152 mm legs for 67,96 GBP + VAT for me.
This way I'd only have two connections rather than four. However I understand,
that the LAA only approves the Mod with the aluminium pipe.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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Subject: | Re: Aluminium Elbow |
Roland, That sounds to me to be the way to go if the silicone proves to
be truly fuel proof and non porous, but it will of course take a long
while to get that approved by LAA as an alternative mod.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2018-02-01 20:35, Roland wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> FWIW I ordered the 60 Samco Profuel Silicone hose https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-60-degree-silicone-hose-elbow-pe60 [1]
>
> Normally the legs from the bend measure 102 mm, but I got them to manufacture
one with 152 mm legs for 67,96 GBP + VAT for me.
>
> This way I'd only have two connections rather than four. However I understand,
that the LAA only approves the Mod with the aluminium pipe.
>
> Regards
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS TG 914
>
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your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "europa-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Europa-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Europa-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/europa-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Europa-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Europa-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Europa-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Europa-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Europa-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Europa-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Europa-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Europa-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Europa-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Europa
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
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Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
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response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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Subject: | Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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