---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/05/18: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Europa Cabin heater. (Christoph Both) 2. 09:27 AM - Re: Europa Cabin heater. (Europa48) 3. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Europa Cabin heater. (Christoph Both) 4. 03:58 PM - Re: Europa for sale (Fred Klein) 5. 04:59 PM - Re: Europa for sale (Peter Timm) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:22 AM PST US From: Christoph Both Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Cabin heater. I use the original CLASSIC exhaust welded-on exhaust muff which I found not very effective (too small). A few years ago, I ducted a small Aircraft Spruce exhaust muff clamped to the exhaust in series which brought the temps a bit up but still not very effective. It ,added weight and I had some doubt on long term stability of the clamped on situation. It came off after one winter. A through-the-firewall hole is out of question for me as regulations clearly enforce to tightly sealed engine forward compartment from the cockpit: the classic exhaust is mated to the cylinders by means of a ball pressed onto the cylinder which potentially leaks some fumes when vibrational resonances are encountered, or exhaust stack nuts loosen or go missing (yes, this can happen!). Furthermore, the 2-piece separate exhaust pipes are held together with a loosely fit inside/outside pipe connection held by elastic springs allowing small amounts of exhaust gas to escape through 4 connectors. With the cabin being naturally lower pressure in flight compared with the engine compartment, any exhaust bypass would be sucked into the cabin. For these reasons my set up employs a separate hot/cold entry air mixer receiving pressurized warm air from the muff (air entry taken ahead of the oil cooler up front cowling) and a separate pressurized NACA scoop for fresh air. The air mixer allows full shut off of all entries and these by nature being of higher pressure blow-by setting would not allow any engine compartment gases to enter the cockpit. In addition, there are 2 small NACA fresh air verts fitted for direct fresh air in case of engine fire, exhaust failure, etc. The entire setup weights about one pound extra. To stay warm, I have a 1lb weight, removable car seat regulated heat pad strapped onto the seat, drawing only 3 amps (preside). My entire panel with GRT EFIS, EIS and a minimum legal collection of steam gauges draws only 3 amps. Christoph Both #223 Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada On 2018-02-04, 19:02, "owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Europa48" wrote: That doesn't look very simple. Anyone use an exhaust muff and ducting? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477829#477829 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:31 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Cabin heater. From: "Europa48" Hello Christoph Your system sounds interesting, not quite clear on how you duct the warm air to the cabin if you dont go through the firewall. David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477852#477852 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:37 AM PST US From: Christoph Both Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Cabin heater. The air mixer goes through the firewall, but it does not allow engine compartment air to directly enter the cabin. In other words, what I have seen lately in pictures, it appears people just cut a hole on the firewall to allow warm air to come into the cabin - perhaps I misunderstood. Christoph On 2018-02-05, 13:27, "owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Europa48" wrote: Hello Christoph Your system sounds interesting, not quite clear on how you duct the warm air to the cabin if you dont go through the firewall. David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=477852#477852 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:24 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa for sale Beautiful ship Peterthat main wheel fairing turned out very nicelyI recall seeing it shortly after you pulled it off your moulda new owner will be getting an excellent valueBest wishes, Fred > On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Peter Timm wrote: > > My Classic Europa,. C-GIET, U.K. kit # 110, is for sale. > > All details can be seen at: > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:33 PM PST US From: Peter Timm Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa for sale Thanks, Fred , from what I have seen, yours is going to be much better. Time flies faster than a Europa , however, and is beginning to catch up with me. Hoping you are well and flying soon. Cheers, Peter On 2018-02-05, at 3:57 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > Beautiful ship Peter=85that main wheel fairing turned out very nicely=85I recall seeing it shortly after you pulled it off your mould=85a new owner will be getting an excellent value=85Best wishes, Fred > >> On Feb 2, 2018, at 4:22 PM, Peter Timm wrote: >> >> My Classic Europa,. C-GIET, U.K. kit # 110, is for sale. >> >> All details can be seen at: >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.