---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/04/18: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:07 AM - Re: Europa25Gap International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June (Remi Guerner) 2. 02:48 AM - International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 (Remi Guerner) 3. 02:58 AM - Re: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 (Remi Guerner) 4. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 (Peter Jeffers) 5. 09:46 AM - To celebrate 25 years of Europa flying. (Hitchflight) 6. 09:58 AM - Re: To celebrate 25 years of Europa flying. (James Kelly) 7. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Alternate static port & Switch (Bud Yerly) 8. 10:51 AM - Re: To celebrate 25 years of Europa flying. (Robert Borger) 9. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: Alternate static port & Switch (Graham Singleton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:26 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa25Gap International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June From: "Remi Guerner" Hi Richard, Camping on the airfield is not allowed. However there is an area located very close to the aircraft parking were camping will be tolerated. But here is no showers nor toilets close to that area. I hope you will come anyway! Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478368#478368 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:10 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 From: "Remi Guerner" Europa25Gap International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 I got several comments and questions regarding this event which deserve some clarification: 1. Sorry the dates did not show on the title because it was too long and were cut by the Matronics system. 2. Camping on the airfield is not allowed. However there is an area located very close (100 m.) to the aircraft parking were camping will be tolerated. There is no showers nor toilets close to that area. Toilets are available at the airfield terminal building and at the Aero-Club during opening hours only. 3. Hotel Le Cap is the recommended choice for two reasons: it is located right on the airfield and the dinner on Saturday evening is at the hotel's restaurant. Le Mas d'Estello is mentioned as a back-up, in case Le Cap is fully booked. Attached is an updated version of the program. Please contact me if you have more questions Remi Guerner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478369#478369 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/registration_form_556.doc http://forums.matronics.com//files/europa25gap_programv2_156.pdf ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 From: "Remi Guerner" Some more info: If you have booked your hotel room and cannot attend for any reason, you can always cancel your reservation, provided you do it at least 48 hours before arrival. That is applicable to both hotels. Remi Guerner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478370#478370 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:50 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 Hi Remi, Any thoughts about Sunday and Monday b/fast as we plan to arrive Saturday pm and depart Monday am Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner Sent: 04 March 2018 10:58 Subject: Europa-List: Re: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 --> Some more info: If you have booked your hotel room and cannot attend for any reason, you can always cancel your reservation, provided you do it at least 48 hours before arrival. That is applicable to both hotels. Remi Guerner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478370#478370 --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:47 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: To celebrate 25 years of Europa flying. From: "Hitchflight" The Europa Committee has approved the release of a commemorative limited edition Pin. One Pin shall be sent to all subscribing Europa Club members or resubscribing members. As recorded within the Club database on the 15th March 2018. Detail: Polished front highlights, nickel plate, clutch pin fitting. A personal gift to you from the Europa Club. The appreciation and the affinity of a quarter century of engineering craftsmanship and pure flying joy. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478374#478374 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/3e1204c4_38ff_47e8_bcd4_70914b8b8592_166.jpeg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:28 AM PST US From: James Kelly Subject: Re: Europa-List: To celebrate 25 years of Europa flying. Many thanks Bob, Hope to see you flying this year please keep in touch. Best wishes Jim G-BWEG On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Hitchflight wrote: > > The Europa Committee has approved the release of a commemorative limited > edition Pin. > > One Pin shall be sent to all subscribing Europa Club members or > resubscribing members. As recorded within the Club database on the 15th > March 2018. > Detail: Polished front highlights, nickel plate, clutch pin fitting. > > A personal gift to you from the Europa Club. The appreciation and the > affinity of a quarter century of engineering craftsmanship and pure flying > joy. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478374#478374 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/3e1204c4_38ff_47e8_bcd4_ > 70914b8b8592_166.jpeg > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:28 AM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Alternate static port & Switch Carl, Many aircraft have a substantially different cockpit static vs the factory external static position. Open cockpits with large windscreens tend to be low (altimeter reads high) Closed cockpits are a bit of a mix. Generally cockpit static is fairly goo d. The underwing static position of the XS Europa factory static tube is quite accurate. Alternate pitot tubes with static ports are generally good provided the sta tic port is well below the wing surface toward the trailing edge. At least 4-5 inches separation of the static tube from the wing surface is generall y good enough for good static readings. Side of fuselage static ports are again hit or miss and manufacturers spend considerable time getting it righ t... In 12AY, which is a trigear with enclosed center tunnel, rear vented D pane l, and full door seal enclosure, the difference between cockpit static and underwing is 2 knots and 20 ish feet. I use a simple cockpit air switch fo r IFR equipped Europa=92s for an alternate static source and then fly and t est and calibrate it. My choice for a small inexpensive valve is made by Pneumadyne. I use the latching toggle for two or three way normally open with 10-32 fitting with 1/8 barb. In my panels, I have found the 1/8 inch tubing to be an outstanding full proof pitot static tubing. I also use a n umber of the CPC products quick disconnects for IFR quick disconnects when doing the biannual pitot static checks to isolate the altimeter and encoder from A/S etc. where leaks are possible. Saves time and sometimes money on pitot/static testing. Flight test of a cockpit static is easy with a couple of CPC connectors to make a quick cockpit change of static source to experiment with. I use the same cockpit seal technique from plane to plane, so I just install the val ve and then flight test. Testing has to be at all altitudes, airspeeds and configurations. I tested in increments from max cruise to stall clean and dirty from 1000 to 10,000 feet cruise and 1000 to 5000 for approach configuration. Cockpit air vent s open and closed with door seals installed but vents in the rear bulkhead to allow cockpit venting must be checked also. Each airplane is different. The air rush through the tunnel into the cockp it or door seal options change things for each aircraft as venting of the c ockpit is non standard and builder dependent. If you seal up the cockpit a nd wing seals things are fine with trigears, mono=92s could be slightly dif ferent as I have never personally done an IFR mono. Regards, Bud Yerly Sent from Mail for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of carlp101 Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 7:19:04 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Alternate static port & Switch Being an aircraft that does not have the ability to be configured with a pr essurised cockpit, I've often wondered why people route static ports to the outside world instead of just leaving the static port unconnected behind t he panel? I discussed this recently with the LAA and they didn't see and is sue with leaving them unconnected in non-pressurised aircraft. Thoughts? Read this topic online here: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.m atronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D478348%23478348&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd109 fae81fad4e78f31808d5803887c0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6 36555902635220735&sdata=PwGB7iyJGJKWHOKd6g1QHj0SzehgiZHC2DvMlDfZIwk%3D&re served=0 F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd109fae 81fad4e78f31808d5803887c0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6365 55902635220735&sdata=swN%2BCb4prF5WcIfPLBRM%2FCLGWSsFJFyQn%2FgjPbKsvZA%3D &reserved=0 F%2Fforums.matronics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd109fae81fad4e78f31808d5803887 c0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555902635220735&sdata= VxEcqC8eBmsZsm166jPTClsVn%2BZ1vVyXr5g2hwV0WtE%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwiki.matronics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd109fae81fad4e78f31808d5803887c0 %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555902635220735&sdata=%2 FHAU4St6jPEtvsqmTZCcc5pYccaXtO9KiY9CbgDg5tw%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2Fcontribution&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd109fae81fad4e78f3 1808d5803887c0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555902635220 735&sdata=Gj0mUG0gfkV4PCUnfzPViCqrW8fDScE%2B1Q7SEjZ9LN8%3D&reserved=0 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:53 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: To celebrate 25 years of Europa flying. Very nice gesture. My thanks to the Europa Club board. Blue skies and tailwinds, Bob Borger Sent from my iPad > On Mar 4, 2018, at 11:46, Hitchflight wrote: > > > The Europa Committee has approved the release of a commemorative limited edition Pin. > > One Pin shall be sent to all subscribing Europa Club members or resubscribing members. As recorded within the Club database on the 15th March 2018. > Detail: Polished front highlights, nickel plate, clutch pin fitting. > > A personal gift to you from the Europa Club. The appreciation and the affinity of a quarter century of engineering craftsmanship and pure flying joy. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478374#478374 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/3e1204c4_38ff_47e8_bcd4_70914b8b8592_166.jpeg > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:39 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Alternate static port & Switch the cockpit pressure will be a bit different to the static and will change when any ventilation vents are operated, which means airspeed will be not quite accurate. Couple of knots either way. Sometimes cockpit will be lower pressure and exhaust fumes get sucked in through the flap slots or gear lever slot. I used to notice it when flaps were full down. Graham > On 2 Mar 2018, at 12:26, Alan Burrill wrote: > > >> From the amount of drafts through various parts Im not sure how representative it is but certainly better than a blocked static vent on the wing. > > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 2 Mar 2018, at 12:19, carlp101 wrote: >> >> >> Being an aircraft that does not have the ability to be configured with a pressurised cockpit, I've often wondered why people route static ports to the outside world instead of just leaving the static port unconnected behind the panel? I discussed this recently with the LAA and they didn't see and issue with leaving them unconnected in non-pressurised aircraft. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478348#478348 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.