---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/07/18: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:08 AM - Re: Nev's Engine Mount (mike.davies210) 2. 12:17 AM - Brass gauze fuel filter elements? (clivesutton) 3. 12:43 AM - Re: Brass gauze fuel filter =?UTF-8?Q?elements=3F? (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 4. 12:44 AM - Re: ethanol (hanaperrod) 5. 02:16 AM - Re: Re: ethanol (Danny) 6. 02:22 AM - Re: Brass gauze fuel filter elements? (Bob Harrison) 7. 02:54 AM - Re: Brass gauze fuel filter elements? (clivesutton) 8. 03:15 AM - Re: ethanol (clivesutton) 9. 03:40 AM - Re: ethanol (JonSmith) 10. 03:43 AM - Europa XS Dummy Wing Spars (alan_hunter1664) 11. 07:52 AM - Back instruments (William Daniell) 12. 10:05 AM - Re: Europa XS Dummy Wing Spars (spcialeffects) 13. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: ethanol (Bob Harrison) 14. 11:40 AM - Re: Brass gauze fuel filter elements? (Ivor) 15. 12:36 PM - Re: Brass gauze fuel filter elements? (clivesutton) 16. 02:15 PM - Re: Europa25Gap International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June (Europa48) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Nev's Engine Mount From: "mike.davies210" SGkgUm9nZXJJIHdvcmtlZCB3aXRoIE5ldiB0byBnZXQgdGhlIG1vdW50IGFwcHJvdmVkIHdpdGgg dGhlIGxhYS4gSSBoYWQgdHdvIG1vdW50cyBtYWRlIGluIGhpcyBqaWcgb25lIHdhcyB1c2VkIGZv ciB1bHRpbWF0ZSBzdHJhaW4gdGVzdGluZyBhbmQgdGhlIG90aGVyIHdlbnQgaW50byBteSBhaXJj cmFmdC4gVGhlIGxhc3QgdGltZSBJIHNwb2tlIHRvIE5ldiBoZSB3YXMgaGF2aW5nIGRpZmZpY3Vs dHnCoCBzb3VyY2luZyB0aGUgY2FzdGluZ3MgZm9yIHRoZSBydWJiZXIgc2hvY2sgbW91bnRzLkkg c3RpbGwgaGF2ZSBhIHNhbXBsZSBvZiB0aGVzZS4gSSBhbHNvIGRpZCB0aGUgQ0FEIGRyYXdpbmcg Zm9yIE5ldiBhbmQgc3RpbGwgaGF2ZSB0aGUgZmlsZSBhbmQgdGhlIHN0cmVzc2luZyByZXBvcnQg d2UgZ290IGFwcHJvdmVkLiBUaGUgamlnIHdlbnQgdG8gb25lIG9mIE5ldidzIGZyZWluZHMgc29u IHdobyBoYWQganVzdCBnb3QgaGlzIFRJRyBjZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBidXQgSSBoYXZlbid0IGEgY2x1 ZSB3aG8gdGhpcyB3YXMgc28gdGhpcyBkb2Vzbid0IHJlYWxseSBoZWxwIHNvcnJ5LgpCZXN0IFJl Z2FyZHMKTWlrZSBEYXZpZXMKCgpTZW50IGZyb20gU2Ftc3VuZyB0YWJsZXQuCi0tLS0tLS0tIE9y aWdpbmFsIG1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0tLS1Gcm9tOiBSb2dlciBTaGVyaWRhbiA8cm9nZXJzaGVyaWRh bkBtYWMuY29tPiBEYXRlOiAwNi8wMy8yMDE4ICAyMDo0OCAgKEdNVCswMDowMCkgVG86IGV1cm9w YS1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20gU3ViamVjdDogRXVyb3BhLUxpc3Q6IE5ldidzIEVuZ2luZSBN b3VudCAKLS0+IEV1cm9wYS1MaXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UgcG9zdGVkIGJ5OiBSb2dlciBTaGVyaWRhbiA8 cm9nZXJzaGVyaWRhbkBtYWMuY29tPgoKRGVhciBBbGwsCgpJIGJlbGlldmUgdGhhdCBOZXbigJlz IGZpcmV3YWxsIGZvcndhcmQgZGVzaWduIGtlcHQgdGhlIGVuZ2luZSBpbiB0aGUgc2FtZSBsb2Nh dGlvbiBhcyB0aGUgWFMgYnV0IHdpdGggYSBzaW1wbGVyLCBvbmUgcGllY2UsIExBQSBhcHByb3Zl ZCBlbmdpbmUgbW91bnQuCgpJcyB0aGVyZSBhbnkgcmVhc29uIG5vdCB0byB1c2UgdGhpcyBtb3Vu dCBvbiBhbiBYUyBpbnN0YWxsICYgZG9lcyBhbnlvbmUga25vdyB3aG8gaGFzIHRoZSBqaWcuCgpS ZWdhcmRzLAoKUm9nZXIKXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KXy09wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgIC0gVGhlIEV1cm9wYS1M aXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVtIC0KXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVhdHVyZXMgTmF2 aWdhdG9yIHRvIGJyb3dzZQpfLT0gdGhlIG1hbnkgTGlzdCB1dGlsaXRpZXMgc3VjaCBhcyBMaXN0 IFVuL1N1YnNjcmlwdGlvbiwKXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJy b3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLApfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwgYW5kIG11Y2ggbXVjaCBtb3JlOgpfLT0K Xy09wqDCoCAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9FdXJvcGEtTGlz dApfLT0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT0KXy09wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoCAtIE1BVFJPTklDUyBX RUIgRk9SVU1TIC0KXy09IFNhbWUgZ3JlYXQgY29udGVudCBhbHNvIGF2YWlsYWJsZSB2aWEgdGhl IFdlYiBGb3J1bXMhCl8tPQpfLT3CoMKgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20K Xy09Cl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09Cl8tPcKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgIC0gTkVXIE1BVFJPTklDUyBM SVNUIFdJS0kgLQpfLT0gQWRkIHNvbWUgaW5mbyB0byB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIEVtYWlsIExpc3Qg V2lraSEKXy09wqDCoCAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3dpa2kubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQpfLT3CoMKg wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgLSBMaXN0IENvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbiBXZWIgU2l0ZSAtCl8tPcKg IFRoYW5rIHlvdSBmb3IgeW91ciBnZW5lcm91cyBzdXBwb3J0IQpfLT3CoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKg wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgIC1NYXR0IERyYWxsZSwg TGlzdCBBZG1pbi4KXy09wqDCoCAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRyaWJ1 dGlvbgpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PQoKCgo ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:13 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Brass gauze fuel filter elements? From: "clivesutton" Hi, Does anyone use brass gauze filter elements in their PRO805 glass-bodied line filters? If so, could they post their supply source on the board please? regards, Clive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478442#478442 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:45 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brass gauze fuel filter =?UTF-8?Q?elements=3F? Clive, I don't use the glass filters - prefer to rely on an Andair gascolator. But I do have a brass finger filter in the fuel tank. They are relatively easy to make to size/shape with the brass mesh and solder. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2018-03-07 08:16, clivesutton wrote: > > Hi, > Does anyone use brass gauze filter elements in their PRO805 glass-bodied line filters? If so, could they post their supply source on the board please? > regards, > Clive > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478442#478442 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478442#478442 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:13 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: ethanol From: "hanaperrod" Hi Danny. Sounds like you had a test kit originally supplied by Airworld. ( now closed ) I use a kit supplied by Frost automotive supply company. www.frost.co.uk E-test kit. It has a blue dye to add to the petrol/water mix that helps identify the ethanol %.I check out all fuel purchased GULF petrol here on the I o W. at the moment has no ethanol. Hope this helps. Rod. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478443#478443 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: ethanol From: Danny thanks Rod I'll have a look. Cheers Danny. On 07/03/2018 08:43, hanaperrod wrote: > > Hi Danny. > Sounds like you had a test kit originally supplied by Airworld. ( now closed ) > I use a kit supplied by Frost automotive supply company. www.frost.co.uk > E-test kit. It has a blue dye to add to the petrol/water mix that helps identify > the ethanol %.I check out all fuel purchased GULF petrol here on the I o W. > at the moment has no ethanol. Hope this helps. > Rod. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478443#478443 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:37 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Brass gauze fuel filter elements? Hi! Clive, After my experience with accumulation of wipe out fibres and dog hairs in my original tank gauze finger filter leading to the late Nev's joke about "shaving the dog"! I replaced my finger filters by a homemade brass cylindrical finger filters ( I also corrected a faulty drilling on the tank fitting ). I also use a mini gascolator fitted to EACH of both tank outlets. I have no confidence in the glass filters you mention. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of clivesutton Sent: 07 March 2018 08:17 Subject: Europa-List: Brass gauze fuel filter elements? --> Hi, Does anyone use brass gauze filter elements in their PRO805 glass-bodied line filters? If so, could they post their supply source on the board please? regards, Clive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478442#478442 --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:40 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Brass gauze fuel filter elements? From: "clivesutton" Thanks both. David - i think you refer to the coarse strainers in the tank outlets - parts F09B and C (which every Europa should have, to ensure e.g. small goats etc do not get into the fuel lines), whereas i refer to the inline fuel filter units inserted between tank outlets and the selection tap normally installed under the seat squabs for ease of inspection. Along with the appropriate approvals, replacing the current plastic woven mesh removable filter elements with something made from fine brass gauze would seem to offer a considerable safety and environmental improvement. Interesting that you both use Gascolators. Are you able to see the state of contamination in these without disassembling them (i.e. are they glass-bodied?), and could you point me at the MOD that goes with installing them, and a supplier of the mini-gascolators (Bob), please? Thanks in anticipation of your replies . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478447#478447 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:16 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: ethanol From: "clivesutton" Hello Danny, I have 24 of those cotton buds left from a 303381 fuel testing kit i brought from Airworld a few years ago. You are welcome to some if you can send me your address. Not sure if they have deteriorated with time (though they have been dry-stored in a sealed plastic bag). In my view Bob Hitchcock's bottle mentioned as in a previous post (the function of which incidentally is replicated on most of those fuel-drain/screwdriver things us Aviators all buy during training) is probably the neatest solution - since it involves only mixing a small qty of fuel with a carefully measured sample of water and noting the change in relative levels due to mixing of part of the water sample with any alcohol (ethanol) existing in the fuel - an approach which also avoids buying and managing other test-related supplies. Regards, Clive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478448#478448 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:36 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: ethanol From: "JonSmith" Hi, I used to use the Airworld blue buds too which worked fine but not available now. Instead I use a droplet of food colouring in a small sample of fuel in a glass jar. If there is no ethanol the droplet stays completely separate, if there is ethanol the droplet dissolves and discolours the whole sample. -------- G-TERN Classic Mono Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478449#478449 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Europa XS Dummy Wing Spars From: "alan_hunter1664" Hi, I'm about to fix my cockpit module to the fuz but one last job i need to attache the cow bell to the cockpit module. My wings are in storage in it quite a logistical task to get them and therefore I was hoping someone in the UK might have a set of dummy spars I could borrow between the 23rd March and 14th July? Many thanks in advance Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478450#478450 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:49 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Europa-List: Back instruments So the saga continues. New Dynon screen installed and working fine. I chickened out of remodeling the entire instrument panel. I have decided to install a cluster of 1.25" round instruments for back up. - Tach - MAP - Oil temp - Oil press - Ammeter (I am going to install a hall effect sensor for the Dynon and use the shunt for the round gauge) - Fuel pressure. Now you all educated me as to the fact that you cant run two gauges of a single resistive senders. It turns out that all temp senders are resistive. Just for the info of anyone else who is doing this, UMA can make a dual sensor sender - one with two sensors with two different connections so that solves the temperature sender. However UMA tells me that voltage based senders can in fact power more than one gauge. So the solution is simply to buy the round gauges and use the Dynon sensors kit to power both Dynon Screen and round gauges. Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:57 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa XS Dummy Wing Spars From: "spcialeffects" Hi Alan. I asked the same question when I was building and the answer I got was only a dummy would use a dummy spar, and they were right. I have someones dummy spar and its a very poor manufactured mdf piece of fire wood. As much trouble as it will be dig out your wings and use them as you will once its built. Good luck Frank Xuereb kit 165, nearly airborne Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478477#478477 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:52 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: ethanol Hi! All. I checked on the Frost site and spoke to a very helpful gent who explained that their additive was meant to only protect against corrosion and needed adding to all your fuel each bottle is sufficient for adding to 250 litres of fuel ! However he kindly recommended me to an American site who produce a small kit container which allows you to take a small sample from the water drain point on the aircraft and if Ethanol is present it changes colour to blue (that is the whole sample) . But it was expensive at about $ 35 per unit ! I paid by Pay Pal and the final bill including postage and packaging finalised at approx $70 , so I was scammed yet again ! Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing ( bastards) sorry but no other name in my vocabulary . So I can test a small amount from each fill up but need to effect similar checks if I land away. Regards Bob Harrison G-OTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of clivesutton Sent: 07 March 2018 11:15 Subject: Europa-List: Re: ethanol --> Hello Danny, I have 24 of those cotton buds left from a 303381 fuel testing kit i brought from Airworld a few years ago. You are welcome to some if you can send me your address. Not sure if they have deteriorated with time (though they have been dry-stored in a sealed plastic bag). In my view Bob Hitchcock's bottle mentioned as in a previous post (the function of which incidentally is replicated on most of those fuel-drain/screwdriver things us Aviators all buy during training) is probably the neatest solution - since it involves only mixing a small qty of fuel with a carefully measured sample of water and noting the change in relative levels due to mixing of part of the water sample with any alcohol (ethanol) existing in the fuel - an approach which also avoids buying and managing other test-related supplies. Regards, Clive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478448#478448 --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:14 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Brass gauze fuel filter elements? From: "Ivor" clive likewise i have no faith in the glass cylindrical in-line filters recommended by Europa, i also use a gascolator, the manufacturer of choice for most of the fleets is Andair, Not the cheapest but certainly the best, you can drain the contents of the gascolator bowl to check for contamination and removing the bowl completely isnt that difficult,, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478479#478479 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:39 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Brass gauze fuel filter elements? From: "clivesutton" Hi Ivor, Thanks/Yes and agree - Andair is a great solution (if a little pricey compared to the factory solution). But i do really like the glass 'easy-to-inspect' approach. Make it fast and easy (to inspect), and the chances of a mishap will probably reduce . . . Without getting too hung up on technical solutions, remembering to check the cleanliness of whatever filters you have, before flight - and switching tanks if the engine coughs, are probably more important clive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478482#478482 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:36 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa25Gap International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June From: "Europa48" Do you think it might be possible to obtain a preferred route to Gap for the last sector when coming from Valence ? 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