---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/12/18: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:34 AM - Newbie questions (flyingeuropa) 2. 05:33 AM - Re: Newbie questions (tennant) 3. 06:17 AM - Europa Club 25 years lapel badge / pin (jonathanmilbank) 4. 06:43 AM - Re: Newbie questions (jonathanmilbank) 5. 08:19 AM - Re: Europa Club 25 years lapel badge / pin (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 6. 10:05 AM - Re: Europa Club 25 years lapel badge / pin (spcialeffects) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:28 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Newbie questions From: "flyingeuropa" Hi folks, I'm totally new to the forum and the Europa itself so just a few words about me. My name is Simon I'm living in northern Germany and after flying the standard C172/Pa28 I'm actually owning a tailwheel vintage aircraft. But since some time I'm thinking about building my own plane and have been searching the internet for the right one. I defined my mission, seperated between "nice to have" and "must have", calculated the budget, read in several forums and I'm still not sure which kit would be the right one. I'm very attracted by the Europa, being a european product with european engine, nice performance data, low fuel burn, less trouble with corrosion due to the composite structure, large baggage compartment, and last but not least the trigear is looking so nice. To be honest, I personally don't like the look of the monowheel. Compared to the VANS Kits there is not that much information available, I joined the europaclub but still have some concerns/questions. 1. Is the build time of 800 hours achievable for a first time builder. In the picture gallery of the club the majority lists 2500+ 2. I'll definitely need the 517lbs usefull load mentioned on the website europa-aircraft.com for a 100hp Rotax. Again, the gallery shows empty weights 900+ lbs. I need a simple VFR panel, no autopilot, no big EFIS. 3. Is the Europa trigear critical in trim? Me and wife have together around 330 lbs and would still need the possibility to take full fuel and the 80lbs of baggage. Maybe some of you can provide their weight and balance data. 4. Is the builder support sufficient? This is one of my biggest concerns... 5. Is there any Europa around -preferable in northern Germany- to have a look at? I guess the costs will be 70K+ so it should be the right decision ;o) Thank you so much for your help and reading this long post. Simon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478605#478605 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:12 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Newbie questions From: "tennant" Hi Simon, Where are you in Northern Germany. Perhaps we can get together. Best regards Barry -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478613#478613 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:07 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club 25 years lapel badge / pin From: "jonathanmilbank" Just received mine in the post, which was an unexpected surprise. Many thanks to our chairman and committee for arranging this gift. Much appreciated. Jonathan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478615#478615 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:36 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Newbie questions From: "jonathanmilbank" Hi Simon, My Europa started life as a mono-wheel and was completed in 1997. In the winter 2013-2014 I converted it to tri-gear, which is much less stressful for me and my group members during take-off and landing. But it is slower and heavier! For a first time builder, I suggest that 3000+ hours of building is likely. So it might be an idea to look for a partially completed kit, if possible. Empty weight of my aircraft is about average at 868 lbs, which leaves 502 lbs useful, or 390 lbs available with full fuel. Not too bad, compared with your requirements. The Europa is not critical in pitch trim; in fact it would be quite difficult to get it out of trim range. The best builder support in my opinion is to be found on this forum, where you'll usually get quick answers from several experienced builders. You would always be welcome to PM me with your questions and if I don't know an answer, then I might know of someone who does. Welcome to the Europa world. Jonathan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478616#478616 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:09 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Club 25 years lapel badge / pin Jonathan, Yes the committee have worked hard on this and are pleased with the result. The major thanks however are due to our hard working secretary Bob Hitchcock. Regards, David Joyce, Chair, Europa Club On 2018-03-12 14:16, jonathanmilbank wrote: > > Just received mine in the post, which was an unexpected surprise. Many thanks to our chairman and committee for arranging this gift. Much appreciated. > > Jonathan > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478615#478615 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478615#478615 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:43 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Club 25 years lapel badge / pin From: "spcialeffects" Yes got mine too, many thanks Regards Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478622#478622 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.