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1. 01:58 AM - saddle tank? (Paul Munford)
2. 02:12 AM - Re: saddle tank? (Alan Burrill)
3. 02:22 AM - Re: saddle =?UTF-8?Q?tank=3F? (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
4. 05:26 AM - Re: saddle tank? (Tim Ward)
5. 05:56 AM - GPS antenna cable length (Remi Guerner)
6. 06:23 AM - Re: GPS antenna cable length (Robert Borger)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: GPS antenna cable length (graeme bird)
8. 07:54 AM - Re: GPS antenna cable length (GTH)
9. 08:00 AM - Antminer S9 14TH/s/Baikal Giant B iPhone X/WhatsApp +18582 (selings)
10. 08:00 AM - Re: GPS antenna cable length (Alan Burrill)
11. 08:16 AM - Original Black Plastic specification brake pipe. (Bob Harrison)
12. 08:25 AM - Re: saddle tank? (Paul Munford)
13. 08:30 AM - Re: Original Black Plastic specification brake pipe. (Rowland Carson)
14. 09:11 AM - Re: saddle tank? (Alan Burrill)
15. 09:17 AM - Re: Original Black Plastic specification brake pipe. (Alan Burrill)
16. 10:00 AM - Re: saddle =?UTF-8?Q?tank=3F? (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
17. 11:58 AM - Re: saddle tank? (Paul Munford)
18. 11:58 AM - Re: GPS antenna cable length (Remi Guerner)
19. 12:31 PM - Re: Original Black Plastic specification brake pipe. (Bob Harrison)
20. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: GPS antenna cable length (GTH)
21. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: GPS antenna cable length (GTH)
22. 12:43 PM - Black Brake Pipe........ (Bob Harrison)
23. 01:23 PM - Re: Black Brake Pipe........ (Kingsley Hurst)
24. 05:35 PM - Re: Black Brake Pipe........ (Kingsley Hurst)
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Hi everyone, Anyone out there know the approx=99 volume of the 2
saddle areas
in the std Europa 62 litre polypropylene tank . That is,- when the fuel
is down
to the bridge area. I am trying to understand & calibrate my fuel useage
& reserve.
Thanks Paul Munford Europa NG kit 625
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| Subject: | Re: saddle tank? |
I measured mine while reviewing the calibration of the sight gauge and appro
ximated it at about 9 to 10 litres per saddle while sat on the ground with n
o turbulence.
In the air could be much less especially if been bounced around or doing unb
alanced turns.
Alan
Sent from my iPad
> On 17 Mar 2018, at 09:56, Paul Munford <pmdental@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, Anyone out there know the approx=99 volume of the 2 sad
dle areas
> in the std Europa 62 litre polypropylene tank . That is,- when the fuel i
s down
> to the bridge area. I am trying to understand & calibrate my fuel useage &
reserve.
> Thanks Paul Munford Europa NG kit 625
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| Subject: | Re: saddle =?UTF-8?Q?tank=3F? |
I measured mine at very close to 10 litres and that should hold good in
the air in roughly level flight as the return line empties into the
reserve side keeping it constantly topped up in spite of turbulence. At
least it should do, if you have got your plumbing right - ref the
directive and other info relating to the GBYSA disaster last year.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2018-03-17 10:10, Alan Burrill wrote:
> I measured mine while reviewing the calibration of the sight gauge and approximated
it at about 9 to 10 litres per saddle while sat on the ground with no turbulence.
>
> In the air could be much less especially if been bounced around or doing unbalanced
turns.
>
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 17 Mar 2018, at 09:56, Paul Munford <pmdental@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, Anyone out there know the approx' volume of the 2 saddle areas
>> in the std Europa 62 litre polypropylene tank . That is,- when the fuel is down
>> to the bridge area. I am trying to understand & calibrate my fuel useage & reserve.
>> Thanks Paul Munford Europa NG kit 625
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| Subject: | Re: saddle tank? |
Hi Paul,
9.5 litres either side I work on.
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
> On 17/03/2018, at 6:56 AM, Paul Munford <pmdental@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, Anyone out there know the approx=99 volume of the 2 sad
dle areas
> in the std Europa 62 litre polypropylene tank . That is,- when the fuel i
s down
> to the bridge area. I am trying to understand & calibrate my fuel useage &
reserve.
> Thanks Paul Munford Europa NG kit 625
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| Subject: | GPS antenna cable length |
This is a question for avionics gurus. After one full year of good service, my
G5 EFIS with its enabled internal GPS antenna started to display wrong attitude
information. After talking to the G3X team at Garmin, a software update fixed
the issue, but after reviewing the recorded data of one of my flights, they
came back to me and suggested I install an external antenna to improve the GPS
reception. So I purchased a GA26C antenna (picture attached). The antenna comes
ready for use with an 8 ft cable and BNC connector. I need only 2 ft to install
the antenna on top of the instrument panel, therefore my questions: performance
wise, is there an inconvenience to install the antenna as it is and attach
the loops of extra cable length together? Is it worth cutting the extra length
and install a new BNC connector? Would that reduce possible losses and/or
susceptibility to electromagnetic interferences ?
Remi Guerner
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna cable length |
Remi,
Just my 2. If you ask the Garmin folks they will insist that you not shorten the
wire. As such, just loop the excess and tuck it away under your instrument
panel.
Many years ago I upgraded an original Garmin to WAAS and the replacement antenna
came with about 4 meters of cable. The instructions forbade any attempt to
shorten the cable as it would negatively impact the signal from the antenna.
So even though a meter of cable would have been more than sufficient to go from
the Garmin to the antenna perched on the top of the instrument panel, I had
to loop the other 3 meters and tuck inside the panel.
Im going to guess about why. It may be because many GPS antennas are powered and
have electronics associated with the antenna. The cable length may be to provide
proper impedance matching from radio to antenna electronics. Any other
comments are welcome.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (100 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP, Hercules Prop.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Mar 17, 2018, at 8:55 AM, Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr> wrote:
This is a question for avionics gurus. After one full year of good service, my
G5 EFIS with its enabled internal GPS antenna started to display wrong attitude
information. After talking to the G3X team at Garmin, a software update fixed
the issue, but after reviewing the recorded data of one of my flights, they
came back to me and suggested I install an external antenna to improve the GPS
reception. So I purchased a GA26C antenna (picture attached). The antenna comes
ready for use with an 8 ft cable and BNC connector. I need only 2 ft to install
the antenna on top of the instrument panel, therefore my questions: performance
wise, is there an inconvenience to install the antenna as it is and attach
the loops of extra cable length together? Is it worth cutting the extra length
and install a new BNC connector? Would that reduce possible losses and/or
susceptibility to electromagnetic interferences ?
Remi Guerner
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna cable length |
I think you are right, reducing the cable will reduce losses but 8ft is not that
significant. The introduction of a connector will introduce impedance mismatches
and losses that would probably amount to more. I would leave as is and avoid
tight bends in the cable.
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp 3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis
AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus,
SmartA3
325 hours & 6 years on the Mono, 930 total
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna cable length |
/Le 17/03/2018 14:55, Remi Guerner a crit://
/
> /G5 EFIS with its enabled internal GPS antenna started to display wrong
> attitude information. After talking to the G3X team at Garmin, a
> software update fixed the issue, but after reviewing the recorded data
> of one of my flights, they came back to me and suggested I install an
> external antenna to improve the GPS reception. So I purchased a GA26C
> antenna (picture attached). The antenna comes ready for use with an 8
> ft cable and BNC connector. I need only 2 ft to install the antenna on
> top of the instrument panel, therefore my questions: performance wise,
> is there an inconvenience to install the antenna as it is and attach
> the loops of extra cable length together? Is it worth cutting the
> extra length and install a new BNC connector? Would that reduce
> possible losses and/or susceptibility to electromagnetic interferences /?
Hi Remi,
Your question seems to imply that you are using a Garmin G5 unit.
Are you aware of this observations on the A&S Questions and Answers
about this antenna model ?
> /*Can the GA-26C be used as a remote antenna for the Garmin G5? *
> No, for the Garmin G5, you will need the GA 35 WAAS GPS. /
That being said, how about first trying an antenna as-is before
undertaking any surgery on the coax ?
--
Amicalement,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna cable length |
Before you cut anything try it in your new position and ensure it has the desired
improvement.
If you can terminate with the correct, crimped connector, then you wont introduce
any additional impedance change or effects and it will reduce the amount of
cable clutter behind the panel, it can become a bit of a nightmare with some
devices.
If you cannot terminate with the right tools for the job, I suggest leave alone
and loosely coil the cable, dont crush or kink the coax as that will change the
impedance.
Thats what I would do.
Alan
> On 17 Mar 2018, at 13:55, Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr> wrote:
>
>
> This is a question for avionics gurus. After one full year of good service, my
G5 EFIS with its enabled internal GPS antenna started to display wrong attitude
information. After talking to the G3X team at Garmin, a software update fixed
the issue, but after reviewing the recorded data of one of my flights, they
came back to me and suggested I install an external antenna to improve the GPS
reception. So I purchased a GA26C antenna (picture attached). The antenna comes
ready for use with an 8 ft cable and BNC connector. I need only 2 ft to install
the antenna on top of the instrument panel, therefore my questions: performance
wise, is there an inconvenience to install the antenna as it is and attach
the loops of extra cable length together? Is it worth cutting the extra
length and install a new BNC connector? Would that reduce possible losses and/or
susceptibility to electromagnetic interferences ?
>
> Remi Guerner
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478699#478699
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| Subject: | Original Black Plastic specification brake pipe. |
Hi! All,
I'm looking for a supply of the early specification black plastic brake
pipe? I would appreciate any supply information since the pipe that Europa
2004 has sent is clearly a different diameter to that used in the original
kit 337. I may be suffering metrication hassle ?
I am particularly concerned to compare working pressures of the two
specifications.
The Outside diameter of the replacement pipe they have sent is 2.32 inches
which does not fit the original fittings and olives.. And the original
supply kit OD is 2.48inches which do fit precisely.
I initially need 36 inches to complete a trike brake system repair. If
anyone has a piece they could spare I will pay them handsomely including
postage .
Best regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337. ( issued in 1996)
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| Subject: | Re: saddle tank? |
Thanks for such a speedy reply to my query !
Just to be sure, is that 9-10 litres for each side ?
or total for both sides?
Sorry to be a nuisance but I want to be sure.
Thanks again Paul Munford Europa NG kit 625
From: Tim Ward
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: saddle tank?
Hi Paul,
9.5 litres either side I work on.
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
On 17/03/2018, at 6:56 AM, Paul Munford <pmdental@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi everyone, Anyone out there know the approx=99 volume of the 2
saddle areas
in the std Europa 62 litre polypropylene tank . That is,- when the
fuel is down
to the bridge area. I am trying to understand & calibrate my fuel
useage & reserve.
Thanks Paul Munford Europa NG kit 625
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| Subject: | Re: Original Black Plastic specification brake pipe. |
On 2018-03-17, at 16:15, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@talktalk.net> wrote:
> The Outside diameter of the replacement pipe they have sent is 2.32 inches which
does not fit the original fittings and olives.. And the original supply kit
OD is 2.48inches which do fit precisely.
Bob - over 2 inches OD? Really? Or have you slipped a decimal point somewhere?
I think I could believe 0.248 inch (roughly a quarter inch) OD, or about 6mm in
new money.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: saddle tank? |
Per Saddle i.e. each side is approx 9 -10 litre
Alan
> On 17 Mar 2018, at 16:23, Paul Munford <pmdental@btinternet.com>
wrote:
>
> Thanks for such a speedy reply to my query !
> Just to be sure, is that 9-10 litres for each side ?
> or total for both sides?
> Sorry to be a nuisance but I want to be sure.
>
> Thanks again Paul Munford Europa NG kit 625
>
> From: Tim Ward <>
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:23 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com <>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: saddle tank?
>
> Hi Paul,
> 9.5 litres either side I work on.
> Tim
>
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand
>
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz <>
>
> Mob +64 210640221
>
>
> On 17/03/2018, at 6:56 AM, Paul Munford <pmdental@btinternet.com <>>
wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, Anyone out there know the approx=99 volume of the
2 saddle areas
>> in the std Europa 62 litre polypropylene tank . That is,- when the
fuel is down
>> to the bridge area. I am trying to understand & calibrate my fuel
useage & reserve.
>> Thanks Paul Munford Europa NG kit 625
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| Subject: | Re: Original Black Plastic specification brake pipe. |
Ive just gone out to the freezing workshop and measure it as 0.236 inch or nears
as dammit 6mm diameter.
Dont have any I can spare though.
Alan
> On 17 Mar 2018, at 16:29, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 2018-03-17, at 16:15, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>> The Outside diameter of the replacement pipe they have sent is 2.32 inches
which does not fit the original fittings and olives.. And the original supply
kit OD is 2.48inches which do fit precisely.
>
>
> Bob - over 2 inches OD? Really? Or have you slipped a decimal point somewhere?
I think I could believe 0.248 inch (roughly a quarter inch) OD, or about 6mm
in new money.
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: saddle =?UTF-8?Q?tank=3F? |
Paul, yes 10 litres each side, but of course one side forms part of the
main tank and your fuel gauge is likely to not read empty until you have
finished the 10 litres in that side's saddle tank. Regards, David Joyce,
GXSDJ
On 2018-03-17 16:23, Paul Munford wrote:
> Thanks for such a speedy reply to my query !
> Just to be sure, is that 9-10 litres for EACH side ?
> or total for both sides?
> Sorry to be a nuisance but I want to be sure.
>
> Thanks again Paul Munford Europa NG kit 625
>
> FROM: Tim Ward
> SENT: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:23 PM
> TO: europa-list@matronics.com
> SUBJECT: Re: Europa-List: saddle tank?
>
> Hi Paul,
> 9.5 litres either side I work on.
> Tim
>
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand
>
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>
> Mob +64 210640221
>
> On 17/03/2018, at 6:56 AM, Paul Munford <pmdental@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, Anyone out there know the approx' volume of the 2 saddle areas
>> in the std Europa 62 litre polypropylene tank . That is,- when the fuel is down
>> to the bridge area. I am trying to understand & calibrate my fuel useage & reserve.
>> Thanks Paul Munford Europa NG kit 625
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| Subject: | Re: saddle tank? |
Fully explained,fully understood.
Thanks for your help
Paul Munford G-OVPM
From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: saddle tank?
Paul, yes 10 litres each side, but of course one side forms part of the
main tank and your fuel gauge is likely to not read empty until you have
finished the 10 litres in that side's saddle tank. Regards, David Joyce,
GXSDJ
On 2018-03-17 16:23, Paul Munford wrote:
Thanks for such a speedy reply to my query !
Just to be sure, is that 9-10 litres for each side ?
or total for both sides?
Sorry to be a nuisance but I want to be sure.
Thanks again Paul Munford Europa NG kit 625
From: Tim Ward
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 1:23 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: saddle tank?
Hi Paul,
9.5 litres either side I work on.
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Mob +64 210640221
On 17/03/2018, at 6:56 AM, Paul Munford <pmdental@btinternet.com>
wrote:
Hi everyone, Anyone out there know the approx' volume of the 2
saddle areas
in the std Europa 62 litre polypropylene tank . That is,- when the
fuel is down
to the bridge area. I am trying to understand & calibrate my fuel
useage & reserve.
Thanks Paul Munford Europa NG kit 625
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna cable length |
Bonjour Gilles,
[quote]Can the GA-26C be used as a remote antenna for the Garmin
G5?
No, for the Garmin G5, you will need the GA 35 WAAS GPS.
The G5 Manual recommends the GA26C among others for non certified G5 installation.
A Waas antenna is required only for certified aircraft only but the cost is not
the same.
[quote]
That being said, how about first trying an antenna as-is before undertaking
any surgery on the coax ?
On the Europa you need to remove the whole panel module to do that.
So better do it right on the first try!
Remi
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| Subject: | Original Black Plastic specification brake pipe. |
Yes Rowland , I have dropped a decimal point sorry everyone.
The requirement is for just under 1/4" diameter 0.248 inches diameter.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson
Sent: 17 March 2018 16:29
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Original Black Plastic specification brake pipe.
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On 2018-03-17, at 16:15, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@talktalk.net> wrote:
> The Outside diameter of the replacement pipe they have sent is 2.32
inches which does not fit the original fittings and olives.. And the
original supply kit OD is 2.48inches which do fit precisely.
Bob - over 2 inches OD? Really? Or have you slipped a decimal point
somewhere? I think I could believe 0.248 inch (roughly a quarter inch) OD,
or about 6mm in new money.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna cable length |
Le 17/03/2018 20:58, Remi Guerner a crit:
>
> The G5 Manual recommends the GA26C among others for non certified G5 installation.
Understand.
>
> On the Europa you need to remove the whole panel module to do that.
Ouch !
Any slack in the wiring to allow behind-the-panel access without too
much hassle ?
> So better do it right on the first try!
Then as advised, keeping the excess length neatly stored in a loop seems
the way to go.
Please note that to minimize interference issues, the smaller the area
of the loop the better. That is while preserving safe bending radius for
the coax.
You can also twist the loop in a figure 8 without stressing the coax.
See https://support.agleader.com/kb_upload/image/coax4.jpg.
All the best,
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Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: GPS antenna cable length |
> Please note that to minimize interference issues, the smaller the area
> of the loop the better. That is while preserving safe bending radius
> for the coax.
Hi again,
Here is a picture to illustrate the above :
http://www.mglavionics.com/kb/article/AA-00220/0/Can-I-shorten-the-GPS-Antenna-cable.html
Hope this helps,
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Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Black Brake Pipe........ |
Thanks for your trouble Alan , as a result of Karen not grasping the
difference I have 5 meters of the same you have, which for my purpose is not
required! I only require the 0.248 inches. Diameter.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit337
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| Subject: | Re: Black Brake Pipe........ |
Hello Bob,
I'm sure I still have the pipe supplied with my kit.
If you can't procure any locally, let me know and I'll send it over. That's if
you wouldn't rather pop over to collect it!
Cheers
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: Black Brake Pipe........ |
Bob,
In case you wonder why I said "I think!" I have some pipe, the reason is that I
am presently 1500 km from home and won't be home till late in the week.
Having said that, I didn't use mine so feel confident I will be able to fill your
order!
Best
Kingsley
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