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Welcome to my world. I have no solutions only recommendations on what work
s for me.
Vinyl, leather, plastic and fiberglass harden with age and move with temper
ature and humidity. I=92m not impressed with any of the over the counter a
dhesives for vinyl type upholstery to plastic/epoxy.
Like any adhesive, performance it is all about the prep. All upholstery wh
ich comes loose is due to a breakdown of the bond on the aircraft skin or u
pholstery. Fiberglass does not allow a contact cement to stick to it chemi
cally so it needs a mechanical bond. Scratch the surface. Plexiglass real
ly is hard to bond to and is easily damaged by the chemicals if not tested.
I use 3M 90 with mixed results. It works for re-bonding an interior after
a fuel tank replacement. Sticks well to fiberglass that is clean and light
ly scuffed. Weldwood contact cement is fine for non foam lined fabric and w
on=92t stain on most. Industrial adhesives have limits. Some are fabric t
o metal, vinyl to vinyl and metal to rubber, but plastic to foam or vinyl i
s limited. H-66 is a nasty smelling, MEK type, highly flammable contact ce
ment that is affordable and comes in small quantities. It is pretty good f
or touchups. Also I have used a DAP product called Landau vinyl roof glue
HHR cement. I acquired the bottom of a $60 gallon and tried it on my trou
ble spot around the windscreen. It lasted a bit longer than the Weldwood a
nd 3M 90. Seems like nothing lasts longer than a year around the windscree
n. Bottom line is to pull the fabric/vinyl back from the windscreen, clean
off the old glue as best you can, scuff the fiberglass and re-glue to the
edge of the scuffed windscreen glass and it works. But then you see your p
aint line from the outside. All these glues are available on Amazon.com.
The plexiglass ( actually acrylic ) of the windscreen is the toughest glue
down of vinyl upholstery to plastic I have ever done. If the glue sticks
to the vinyl interior, it doesn=92t to the windscreen. You have to test a
round the windscreen as MEK attacks acrylic, so always test. Scuffing the
windscreen helps quite a bit on the plexi, but it is not perfect. I get ab
out 12 months before it starts coming down again. Heat is our enemy in the
southern climates.
ALWAYS TEST THE GLUE FIRST BEFORE SPRAYING OR BRUSHING AS IT CAN ATTACK SOM
E UPHOLSTERY BACKING FOAMS OR STAIN YOUR INTERIOR FABRIC OR RUIN YOU WINDSC
REEN.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:22:24 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas=struts
Thanks so much!
On another issue, most all of the interior finishing is coming unstuck. We
have tried various adhesives, hot glue, bubble gum etc, but nothing seems
to hold. Haven=92t tried contact cement. The original adhesive was (is) a
brownish rubbery substance which no longer sticks to much of anything exce
pt to your rubber gloved fingers. Separation has occurred all around the w
indshield, cobra=85.even the insulating layer has separated in a few locati
ons from the outer shell and the vinyl is separating from the insulating la
yer. Does the vinyl shrink over time causing the vinyl pull away =85 espec
ially curved surfaces? Suggestions?
Regards,
Hal Carpenter
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Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas=struts
Ok Hal.
Just back from VA. I packed them this evening and they'll go out priority
mail tomorrow.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 6:29:45 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas=struts
Bud,
I=92ll take two! We have one that works fair and one not at all. This pos
t was very timely for us.
I repositioned one strut a few years ago and will do the other side when I
get the new ones.
Hal Carpenter 1500 S Travis Amarillo, TX 79102 Europa XS
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From: Bud Yerly<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas=struts
Greg and others,
I do sell struts I have custom sprinnged for the Europa. Gauranteed and re
chargeable, with nice small metal 8mm locking ends.
I sell my struts for $45, what is their charge with shipping? Still a hund
red dollar bill for a set with shipping.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
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Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 4:51:38 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas=struts
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Hi all,
I need to replace the gas-sruts on the doors and would like to know,where t
o
find them. I am in western Canada.
Can anybody help?
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Thanks Bud.
I will try some of your suggestions.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Bud Yerly
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas=struts
Welcome to my world.=C2- I have no solutions only recommendations on what
works for me.
Vinyl, leather, plastic and fiberglass harden with age and move with temper
ature and humidity.=C2- I=99m not impressed with any of the over th
e counter adhesives for vinyl type upholstery to plastic/epoxy.=C2-
Like any adhesive, performance it is all about the prep.=C2- All upholste
ry which comes loose is due to a breakdown of the bond on the aircraft skin
or upholstery.=C2- Fiberglass does not allow a contact cement to stick t
o it chemically so it needs a mechanical bond.=C2- Scratch the surface.
=C2- Plexiglass really is hard to bond to and is easily damaged by the ch
emicals if not tested.
I use 3M 90 with mixed results. =C2-It works for re-bonding an interior a
fter a fuel tank replacement. =C2-Sticks well to fiberglass that is clean
and lightly scuffed. Weldwood contact cement is fine for non foam lined fa
bric and won=99t stain on most. =C2-Industrial adhesives have limit
s.=C2- Some are fabric to metal, vinyl to vinyl and metal to rubber, but
plastic to foam or vinyl is limited.=C2- H-66 is a nasty smelling, MEK ty
pe, highly flammable contact cement that is affordable and comes in small q
uantities.=C2- It is pretty good for touchups.=C2- Also I have used a D
AP product called Landau vinyl roof glue=C2- HHR cement.=C2- I acquired
the bottom of a $60 gallon and tried it on my trouble spot around the wind
screen.=C2- It lasted a bit longer than the Weldwood and 3M 90.=C2- See
ms like nothing lasts longer than a year around the windscreen.=C2- Botto
m line is to pull the fabric/vinyl back from the windscreen, clean off the
old glue as best you can, scuff the fiberglass and re-glue to the edge of t
he scuffed windscreen glass and it works.=C2- But then you see your paint
line from the outside.=C2- =C2-=C2-All these glues are available on
Amazon.com.
The plexiglass ( actually acrylic ) of the windscreen is the toughest glue
down of vinyl upholstery to plastic I have ever done.=C2- =C2-=C2-If
the glue sticks to the vinyl interior, it doesn=99t to the windscreen
.=C2- You have to test around the windscreen as MEK attacks acrylic, so a
lways test.=C2- Scuffing the windscreen helps quite a bit on the plexi, b
ut it is not perfect.=C2- I get about 12 months before it starts coming d
own again.=C2- Heat is our enemy in the southern climates.=C2-
ALWAYS TEST THE GLUE FIRST BEFORE SPRAYING OR BRUSHING AS IT CAN ATTACK SOM
E UPHOLSTERY BACKING FOAMS OR STAIN YOUR INTERIOR FABRIC OR RUIN YOU WINDSC
REEN.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr
onics.com> on behalf of Hal Carpenter <wtxcef@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:22:24 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas=struts
=C2-
Thanks so much!
On another issue, most all of the interior finishing is coming unstuck.=C2
- We have tried various adhesives, hot glue, bubble gum etc, but nothing
seems to hold.=C2- Haven=99t tried contact cement.=C2- The origin
al adhesive was (is) a brownish rubbery substance which no longer sticks to
much of anything except to your rubber gloved fingers.=C2- Separation ha
s occurred all around the windshield, cobra.even the insulating la
yer has separated in a few locations from the outer shell and the vinyl is
separating from the insulating layer.=C2- Does the vinyl shrink over time
causing the vinyl pull away especially curved surfaces? =C2-
=C2-Suggestions?
Regards,
Hal Carpenter
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Bud Yerly
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas=struts
Ok Hal.=C2-
Just back from VA.=C2- I packed them this evening and they'll go out prio
rity mail tomorrow.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
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onics.com> on behalf of Hal Carpenter <wtxcef@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 6:29:45 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas=struts
=C2-
Bud,
I=99ll take two!=C2- We have one that works fair and one not at all
.=C2- This post was very timely for us.
I repositioned one strut a few years ago and will do the other side when I
get the new ones.
Hal Carpenter=C2- 1500 S Travis=C2-=C2-=C2- Amarillo, TX=C2- 7910
2=C2- Europa XS
=C2-
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=C2-
From: Bud Yerly
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas=struts
=C2-
Greg and others,
I do sell struts I have custom sprinnged for the Europa.=C2- Gauranteed a
nd rechargeable, with nice small metal 8mm locking ends.
I sell my struts for $45, what is their charge with shipping?=C2- Still a
hundred dollar bill for a set with shipping.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
=C2-
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Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 4:51:38 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas=struts
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Hi all,
I need to replace the gas-sruts on the doors and would like to know,where t
o
find them. I am in western Canada.
Can anybody help?
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Subject: | Re: Mojave Experimental Fly-In Mojove, CA KMHV |
Europa Fly-In: Mojave Air and Spaceport (KMHV), April 21, 2018
UPDATE 27 March: There are now more details at: http://mojavemuseum.org/mojave-experimental-fly-in/
A North America Europa Fly In and Europa 25th Anniversary Celebration will be
held at Mojave Air and Spaceport in southern California, April 21. Please plan
to attend!
The Mojave Experimental Fly-In and Plane Crazy Saturday is a fly-in and static
display. Its a chance to see unusual and one of a kind aircraft. It takes place
from 10 am to 2 pm.
Awards for Best Effort, Best Design, Best Test & Build, and Best Overall
There will be a talk by Bill Norton, an instructor at the National Test Pilot
School at 11:00 am (note, you need to RSVP and a donation is requested for the
talk, see the MTM website).
The Voyager restaurant is on the field and opens at 7 am.
There is a banquet Saturday evening with a talk by Zach Reeder, past fly-in award
winner and Scaled Composites Project Engineer and Test Pilot. Tickets are
available at reduced cost on the MEFI website.
Here are links MTM: http://mojavemuseum.org/events/ and
MEFI: http://mojavemuseum.org/mojave-experimental-fly-in/
If you like competition, there is an indoor Fly-In Friday evening. Your registration
fee gets you a balsa glider that you assemble and then fly in competition.
Sounds like fun!
The Europa presence is being organized by Rick Stockton (aireupora@sbcglobal.net).
Rick and Todd Johnson will be renting a car or van to go to Red Rock Canyon Park on Sunday morning. If you ever have watched a B western movie with beautiful rock formations in the background, this is the place where it was filmed. If you would like to join Rick and Todd, email Rick. Here is a link to the park: https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=631
If you need a hotel room, email Rick for arrangements.
For planning purposes, please email Rick if you intend to attend (the sooner the
better).
Whether youre flying or driving, its a great opportunity to gather with other Europa
owners / builders / enthusiasts. Hope you can join Rick and Todd!
Jim and Heather
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