---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/14/18: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:59 AM - Re: Seatbelts (Nigel Graham) 2. 01:04 AM - Re: Re: Newbie questions (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 3. 01:55 AM - Re: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 (Hitchflight) 4. 03:27 AM - Re: UL91 at Troyes Error (Olivier.hequet@neuf.fr) 5. 03:51 AM - Re: Newbie questions (SPURPURA) 6. 07:24 AM - Re: UL91 at Troyes Error (Hitchflight) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:59:30 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Seatbelts From: "Nigel Graham" Frank, The original seat belts were supplied by a company called "Total Restraint Systems". If you need technical information you could contact them directly at: http://www.trs-motorsport.com/ (contact numbers and address on their website) Nigel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479330#479330 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:52 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Newbie questions Simon, My Mono XS with 914 and fully VP Woodcomp prop came out at 833 lbs. Very full, capable panel. Speed kit. I chose to put 3lbs on the stern post to give optimum C of G position so finished as 836lbs. How did I achieve that? 1.Think light right from the start & have an expert show you how to do perfect lay ups, which are relatively dry - use peel ply on all lay ups which further reduces the amount of surface resin which adds nothing to the strength. 2. have a largely electronic panel with an EMS rather than rows of steam dials and solid state gyros rather than a vacuum system. Use wire thicknesses as per manual, not a bit thicker for luck 3. an Odyssey gas recombinant battery on firewall above passenger feet. Lighter than conventional battery, fantastic starting ability, no need for much in the way of battery box 4. Avoid one of those heavy built in leather seating fits. Cushions much lighter and flexible for differing pilot sizes. 5. A gel coat paint system sprayed by an expert and rubbed down with wet and dry to a perfect finish. Avoids the multiple undercoats and UV protection coats and multiple top coats generally used for other paint systems and very durable. It is after all what competition gliders have been using for ever! 6. Think about all fittings, especially metal ones. Do I need this? Does it need to be so big? For instance you can (& I did) cut down all bolts so that they were just in safety. I did not see the need for extra batteries, extra anything in the electric sphere beyond the manual recommendations. The 914 is heavier than the 912 or 912S so more or less makes up for the extra weight of the extra wheels on a trigear, so 850 is certainly doable with a trigear. Best of luck, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2018-04-14 01:27, Robert Borger wrote: > > Simon, > > Keep working! > > 853 lbs is certainly doable with the mono wheel if you build light, build per the plans (no mods) and use the lightest engine/prop combination. It is more difficult with the tri gear as all that steel landing gear crap is heavy. > > My tri has a 913 lbs empty weight. My C/G ranges from 58.44 to 61.97 depending on loading state. It is difficult to load out of C/G range. > > My Europa has the ROTAX 914 with Airmaster C/S prop. The panel has the small GRT Sport EFIS with the GRT EIS 4000 engine monitor, Microair radio and transponder and Garmin GPS Map 496. In addition I have 2 1/4" standby turn coordinator, airspeed, altimeter and vertical speed. > > My guess is that the weight will change a bit when I finish installing the ADS-B 2020 equipment as I have to go back to the big instrument panel to make room for some extra boxes. When the 2020 thing is finally installed I will have a new panel without the standby stuff and the Microair transponder. But there will be a new TRIG transponder and 2020 approved GPS. I hope to have that installed and working later this year. > > The most challenging part of the work is to keep building. Finishing the job is the hardest part. Don't quit. Do something every day. I really don't remember anything that was difficult. Well, maybe getting the peel ply out of the flap root & tip ends was frustrating but not difficult. I have met and talked to lots of builders who just could not keep building and quit. Don't be that person. > > Blue skies & tailwinds, > Bob Borger > Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (100 hrs). > Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP, Hercules Prop. > 3705 Lynchburg Dr. > Corinth, TX 76208-5331 > Cel: 817-992-1117 > rlborger@mac.com > > On Apr 13, 2018, at 3:03 PM, flyingeuropa wrote: > > > Hello again, > > after going in some more detail I'm still wondering if I could make the published empty weight of 387kg/853lbs as mentioned on the website. > Would you do me a favour and post the empty weights and CG of your trigear > maybe with a short summary of the main components ( engine, prop, avionic). > > I saw the "a plane is born" movie by Mark Evans. What a cool guy, everthing looked so doable. From your builders point of view, what is the most difficult/challenging work? The flight controls are now already done as far as I understood. > > Thanks again for your help! > > Simon Links: ------ [1] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [2] http://forums.matronics.com [3] http://wiki.matronics.com [4] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:52 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: International Fly-In, Gap-Tallard, France, June 9-10, 2018 From: "Hitchflight" Now available at Gap For the young at heart. The potential to learn how to fly, in quite a different way. http://www.theeuropaclub.org/news/soufflerie-now-open-at-gap-tallard-25 Pour les jeunes de coeur. En plus des activits plus tranquilles dj disponibles (la visite du chteau ou la visite de l'usine Beringer) est le potentiel pour apprendre voler, d'une manire tout fait diffrente. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479332#479332 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: UL91 at Troyes Error From: "Olivier.hequet@neuf.fr" At this adress http://www.pgs.fr/tlf/AvgasUL91.html you have the complete l ist of ul91 gas pump. Note: in may, an ul91 gas pump will be open on Albert L FAQ airport by BP and SP98 is also available at Arras LFQD each afternoon. Good flight. Olivier Hequet F-PAKV arras LFQD > Le 13 avr. 2018 =C3- 18:04, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk a =C3=A9crit : > > Tim, I thought from memory it does but checking on the SIA website I find i t does not. Sorry, David > > > > >> On 2018-04-13 16:55, houlihan tim wrote: >> >> David >> >> Does Troyes have UL91 ? >> >> Tim ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:48 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Newbie questions From: "SPURPURA" Its my experience back in 1998 I spent 2000 hours on building an XS Monowheel. I also fly a tri gear/912ULS and though its slower Its so much fun to fly and has been trouble free. Love them both. -------- N951EU - Tri-gear & 912ULS, N77EU- Mono & 914 I'D RATHER HAVE A BOTTLE IN FRONT OF ME THAN A FRONTAL LABOTAMY. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479334#479334 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:18 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: UL91 at Troyes Error From: "Hitchflight" Hi Olivier, Carl That is outstanding news about Albert. Since losing Abbeville as a routine point of entry, there has been no easy access to the UL91 inbound. Consequently used 100LL Airports. Now Albert airport is coming on line, it could become my preferred customs entry point and refuel. The people at Albert are always helpful. The UL91 now makes Albert a very attractive refuel and customs point. For the intermediate stop. Filled up with UL91 a few times last year at Bourg . So that is an easy choice. Then from there to Gap Tallard itself for more UL91. Voila! Regards Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479336#479336 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.