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1. 04:33 AM - Size of trigear socket cap screws (William Daniell)
2. 04:51 AM - Re: Size of trigear socket cap screws (david park)
3. 04:57 AM - Re: Size of trigear socket cap screws (david park)
4. 05:53 AM - Vista ventilators (Phil B)
5. 07:19 AM - Re: Size of trigear socket cap screws (William Daniell)
6. 07:50 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/21/18 (Aireupora)
7. 08:46 AM - First Flight (spcialeffects)
8. 11:20 AM - Re: First Flight (Ivor)
9. 01:03 PM - Re: First Flight (Ivor)
10. 01:32 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/21/18 (Gary Leinberger)
11. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/21/18 (William Daniell)
12. 02:34 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/21/18 (William Daniell)
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| Subject: | Size of trigear socket cap screws |
Does anyone know the size of the hex screws that attach the brake disc on a
tri?
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Size of trigear socket cap screws |
Page 29-9 in manual
Dave Park
> On 22 Jun 2018, at 12:32, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Does anyone know the size of the hex screws that attach the brake disc on a tri?
> Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Size of trigear socket cap screws |
1/4 x 5x8
Dave Park
> On 22 Jun 2018, at 12:50, david park <dpark748@me.com> wrote:
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> Page 29-9 in manual
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> Dave Park
>
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>> On 22 Jun 2018, at 12:32, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Does anyone know the size of the hex screws that attach the brake disc on a
tri?
>> Thanks
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| Subject: | Vista ventilators |
Has anyone installed or have any comments on installing a couple of Vista vents,
light plane cabin ventilators (Aircraft Spruce part No. 13-03500) in the doors
of a Europa (photo attached). I would prefer to mount them in the lights but
have been told that the windshield is a stressed item. Theres no maximum speed
limit on these vents and definitely need some ventilation while this hot weather
continues.
Thanks in advance.
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Phil B
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| Subject: | Re: Size of trigear socket cap screws |
Thanks...should have read the manual more carefully.
William Daniell
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 6:59 AM david park <dpark748@me.com> wrote:
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> 1/4 x 5x8
>
> Dave Park
>
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> > On 22 Jun 2018, at 12:50, david park <dpark748@me.com> wrote:
> >
> > Page 29-9 in manual
> >
> > Dave Park
> >
> >
> >> On 22 Jun 2018, at 12:32, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone know the size of the hex screws that attach the brake disc
> on a tri?
> >> Thanks
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/21/18 |
Most of us use 1450lbs here in the USA. The FAA allows a ferry takeoff weight
of 1.25 to 1.5 of the certificates weight. This would be in smooth air. CG would
be the determining factor. Fuel is mainly in this range, but the aux tank
may pull the CG aft. Id do a full flight plan along your planned route and
mark your CG as you use the fuel. Landing CG would be very important.
Once on landing the CG shifted aft when I put the landing gear and full to the
point of almost on pitch control. (Not in an Europa)
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> 1. 04:47 AM - Mtow+ (William Daniell)
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> Time: 04:47:40 AM PST US
> From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Mtow+
>
> What is the maximum mtow that anyone has flown with?
>
> I am looking at the trip to usa.
>
> Aircraft without fuel weighs 930.
>
> Co pilot, pilot and 17 gals weigh 470. My aux tank with pump and 10.5
> gals weighs 75 lbs will be strapped to the wing tie bar up against the main
> tank.
>
> So we have 930+545=1485. Add liferaft 8 lbs and odd and ends and itll be
> a smidgen over 1500.
>
> I have flown with 1400lbs taking off at 8500 so I am sure that itll take
> off.
>
> What the opinion of the group on this? Anyone have any experience? Does
> anyone foresee issues?
>
> Will
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
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> Time: 06:34:20 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mtow+
> From: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de>
>
>
> Hello Will,
>
> I have the MTOM increase to 1450lbs (which I appreciate very much) and have flown
> with this (2 men up inclusive parachutes, complete camping gear in the baggage
> bay and full fuel) several times. The Europa handles this without any problems.
>
>
> Just be aware, that you'll need a longer take off run and have a higher stall
speed
> - for obvious reasons.
>
> No experience >1450lbs however.
>
> Regards and have a safe flight
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS TG 914
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481058#481058
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It is my pleasure to announce that my aircraft, G-STUE, beat gravity for the first
time this week with Pete Jeffers at the controls. Im forever indebted to Ivor
Phillips for this time, knowledge and tools for helping get to this special
day
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
congratulations on a fantastic build, really pleased it flys as good as it looks
:D once the test flying is done the world is your oyster, hope to see you
at the LAA rally this year,
ivor
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
congratulations on a fantastic build, really pleased it flys as good as it looks
:D once the test flying is done the world is your oyster, hope to see you
at the LAA rally this year,
ivor
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| Subject: | RE: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/21/18 |
I have taken off at over 1600 lbs (tri-gear with 912S) - be gentle, land softly
and no abruptness. No problem.
gl
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2. 06:34 AM - Re: Mtow+ (Roland)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:47:40 AM PST US
From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Mtow+
What is the maximum mtow that anyone has flown with?
I am looking at the trip to usa.
Aircraft without fuel weighs 930.
Co pilot, pilot and 17 gals weigh 470. My aux tank with pump and 10.5
gals weighs 75 lbs will be strapped to the wing tie bar up against the main
tank.
So we have 930+545=1485. Add liferaft 8 lbs and odd and ends and itll be
a smidgen over 1500.
I have flown with 1400lbs taking off at 8500 so I am sure that itll take
off.
What the opinion of the group on this? Anyone have any experience? Does
anyone foresee issues?
Will
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 06:34:20 AM PST US
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mtow+
From: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de>
Hello Will,
I have the MTOM increase to 1450lbs (which I appreciate very much) and have flown
with this (2 men up inclusive parachutes, complete camping gear in the baggage
bay and full fuel) several times. The Europa handles this without any problems.
Just be aware, that you'll need a longer take off run and have a higher stall speed
- for obvious reasons.
No experience >1450lbs however.
Regards and have a safe flight
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/21/18 |
OK very useful info 1.25 would mean 1812 lbs! So we should manage 1500lbs
without a problem. Aruba is always windy and the take off could be a
little bumpy.
And yes point about W&B well taken. The calculations show aft but within
limits for take off and we transfer fuel forward during the flight the CG
would come forward. The thing is to remember to transfer the fuel forward!
The Aux tank will be snug up against the back of the main tank and so less
moment than if it were in the baggage bay.
thanks
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 9:52 AM Aireupora <aireupora@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Most of us use 1450lbs here in the USA. The FAA allows a ferry takeoff
> weight of 1.25 to 1.5 of the certificates weight. This would be in smoot
h
> air. CG would be the determining factor. Fuel is mainly in this range,
> but the aux tank may pull the CG aft. I=99d do a full flight plan
along
> your planned route and mark your CG as you use the fuel. Landing CG woul
d
> be very important.
> Once on landing the CG shifted aft when I put the landing gear and full t
o
> the point of almost on pitch control. (Not in an Europa)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 21, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Europa-List Digest Server <
> europa-list@matronics.com> wrote:
> >
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> >
> > 1. 04:47 AM - Mtow+ (William Daniell)
> > 2. 06:34 AM - Re: Mtow+ (Roland)
> >
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> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 04:47:40 AM PST US
> > From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Mtow+
> >
> > What is the maximum mtow that anyone has flown with?
> >
> > I am looking at the trip to usa.
> >
> > Aircraft without fuel weighs 930.
> >
> > Co pilot, pilot and 17 gals weigh 470. My aux tank with pump and 10.5
> > gals weighs 75 lbs will be strapped to the wing tie bar up against the
> main
> > tank.
> >
> > So we have 930+545=1485. Add liferaft 8 lbs and odd and ends and it
ll
> be
> > a smidgen over 1500.
> >
> > I have flown with 1400lbs taking off at 8500 so I am sure that itll tak
e
> > off.
> >
> > What the opinion of the group on this? Anyone have any experience? Do
es
> > anyone foresee issues?
> >
> > Will
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:34:20 AM PST US
> > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mtow+
> > From: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de>
> >
> >
> > Hello Will,
> >
> > I have the MTOM increase to 1450lbs (which I appreciate very much) and
> have flown
> > with this (2 men up inclusive parachutes, complete camping gear in the
> baggage
> > bay and full fuel) several times. The Europa handles this without any
> problems.
> >
> >
> > Just be aware, that you'll need a longer take off run and have a higher
> stall speed
> > - for obvious reasons.
> >
> > No experience >1450lbs however.
> >
> > Regards and have a safe flight
> > Roland
> > PH-ZTI
> > XS TG 914
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481058#481058
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Europa-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/21/18 |
thanks gary
William Daniell
LONGPORT
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 3:35 PM Gary Leinberger <
Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu> wrote:
> Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu>
>
> I have taken off at over 1600 lbs (tri-gear with 912S) - be gentle, land
> softly and no abruptness. No problem.
>
> gl
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> Today's Message Index:
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> 1. 04:47 AM - Mtow+ (William Daniell)
> 2. 06:34 AM - Re: Mtow+ (Roland)
>
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> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:47:40 AM PST US
> From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Mtow+
>
> What is the maximum mtow that anyone has flown with?
>
> I am looking at the trip to usa.
>
> Aircraft without fuel weighs 930.
>
> Co pilot, pilot and 17 gals weigh 470. My aux tank with pump and 10.5
> gals weighs 75 lbs will be strapped to the wing tie bar up against the main
> tank.
>
> So we have 930+545=1485. Add liferaft 8 lbs and odd and ends and itll be
> a smidgen over 1500.
>
> I have flown with 1400lbs taking off at 8500 so I am sure that itll take
> off.
>
> What the opinion of the group on this? Anyone have any experience? Does
> anyone foresee issues?
>
> Will
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:34:20 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mtow+
> From: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de>
>
>
> Hello Will,
>
> I have the MTOM increase to 1450lbs (which I appreciate very much) and
> have flown
> with this (2 men up inclusive parachutes, complete camping gear in the
> baggage
> bay and full fuel) several times. The Europa handles this without any
> problems.
>
>
> Just be aware, that you'll need a longer take off run and have a higher
> stall speed
> - for obvious reasons.
>
> No experience >1450lbs however.
>
> Regards and have a safe flight
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS TG 914
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481058#481058
>
>
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