---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/30/18: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:08 AM - Tailplane Tq Tube (Roger Sheridan) 2. 06:12 AM - Jamar Brake Cylinder (Karl Heindl) 3. 08:18 AM - Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder (Ivor) 4. 01:19 PM - Test (Karl Heindl) 5. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder (Karl Heindl) 6. 03:12 PM - Endurance test (William Daniell) 7. 07:32 PM - Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder (Bud Yerly) 8. 07:47 PM - Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:38 AM PST US From: Roger Sheridan Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Tq Tube Good day, Im looking for a serviceable tailplane torque tube assembly. Please email me direct if you can help. Thanks, Roger ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:15 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: Europa-List: Jamar Brake Cylinder Where can I buy a Jamar brake cylinder and seals ? I don't see it on the Ja mar website. I bought seals with pistons from CBPerformance, but that assembly is slight ly longer and may block the connecting hole between the cylnders. I am filling the lines from the bottom up, but I have no pressure on one si de. I never had this much trouble before. Thank you for any help, Karl ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:26 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder From: "Ivor" Too be totally honest the Jamar cylinder isnt fit for purpose!! Crap is a stronger word i would normally use but i dont want to upset the gentile folk on this forum, I have had three on my aircraft, the first one would lose a circuit when it wanted and had me of the runway twice, the second one wasnt much better always loosing pressure but with no leaks, You could pump it up to get a hard handle before landing, the third one i completely strip, changed all the seals, honed the bores cleansed it to a inch of its life, bleed it for an hour using every means at my disposal, ( considerably after 55 years in the motor trade) and i still wasnt happy with the pressure i was getting, so bit the bullet and brought two matco cylinders and replaced the awful Jamar, the Matco cylinders have been working fine now for Six years, I personally wouldnt take the chance with a Jamar, going off the runway can be decremental to your health Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481296#481296 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:47 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: Europa-List: Test Test only ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:29 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder Ivor, I am sure you are right. What is the Matco part number and how difficult is it to fit them ? I see apicture in the A.S. catalogue, but I don't see the attachment points .. I used the Jamar for many years with moderate success, difficult to bleed a nd a slow leak from one of the grub screws. I am pushed for time and would like to have one more go.Do you remember the supplier of the Prts ? Thank you, Karl ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Ivor Sent: 30 June 2018 16:17 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder Too be totally honest the Jamar cylinder isn=99t fit for purpose!! Crap is a stronger word i would normally use but i don=99t want to up set the gentile folk on this forum, I have had three on my aircraft, the first one would lose a circuit when it wanted and had me of the runway twice, the second one wasn=99t much better always loosing pressure but with no leaks, You could pump it up to get a ha rd handle before landing, the third one i completely strip, changed all the seals, honed the bores cl eansed it to a inch of its life, bleed it for an hour using every means at my disposal, ( considerably after 55 years in the motor trade) and i still was n=99t happy with the pressure i was getting, so bit the bullet and brought two matco cylinders and replaced the awful Jamar, the Matco cylinders have been working fine now for Six years, I personally wouldn=99t take the chance with a Jamar, going off the runway can be decremental to your health Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481296#481296 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:00 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Europa-List: Endurance test FWIW today I took flew 338nm starting with 27 gals and landed with 11.5. 2:50 flight time according to my dynon.... William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:39 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jamar Brake Cylinder Carl, The Jamar brake is a steering part. See jamarperformance.com, steering prod ucts. It is a wheel steering for drifting and the like. New and rebuild kits are there. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Karl Heindl Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 8:10:01 AM Subject: Europa-List: Jamar Brake Cylinder Where can I buy a Jamar brake cylinder and seals ? I don't see it on the Ja mar website. I bought seals with pistons from CBPerformance, but that assembly is slight ly longer and may block the connecting hole between the cylnders. I am filling the lines from the bottom up, but I have no pressure on one si de. I never had this much trouble before. Thank you for any help, Karl ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:34 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jamar Brake Cylinder Carl, Also, Pull the master and bench check. I fill it completely, then check your reb uild. Bleeding difficulty is often due to the small bleed hole. My website has the bleed procedure. If using silicone fluid or Dot 5, gett ing bubbles to move is a pain. You have to pull the master out to bleed, h old one handle back etc. Once bled they are quite firm. I thought going to Matco solved everything, but not so. Brakes are a pain. Even Matco masters can have issues with seals. I had a brand new Matco c onstantly keep a bubble, and had to pull the master and rock it. George at Matco even commented that if installed horizontal, they may require rocking to get a slick fluids bubble to clear. Nothing is easy or full proof it se ems. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Karl Heindl Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 8:10:01 AM Subject: Europa-List: Jamar Brake Cylinder Where can I buy a Jamar brake cylinder and seals ? I don't see it on the Ja mar website. I bought seals with pistons from CBPerformance, but that assembly is slight ly longer and may block the connecting hole between the cylnders. I am filling the lines from the bottom up, but I have no pressure on one si de. I never had this much trouble before. 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