---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/03/18: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:13 AM - Endurance Test (crouto) 2. 08:30 AM - Re: Endurance Test (William Daniell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:03 AM PST US From: crouto Subject: Europa-List: Endurance Test The relief tube problem in the Europa is simplicity itself. You will need a funnel of about 12-15cm diameter, 500mm of tubing which will fit over the funnel outlet and 2 zip ties. (The funnels with a flat side are best) Drill a hole the outside diameter of the tube in the underseat storage. Install one zip tie a cm or 2 from the tubes end and insert the tube into the hole. Install the second zip tie near the end of the tube outside (the zip ties keep the tube in place). The funnel stows under the seat, tubing around the front of the stick. Ive used this for 3 years on some of our 6+ hour legs. Having an autopilot servo under the seat may complicate the installation slightly, but were experimenters and this should pose no problem. Creighton A-009 Sent from my iPad > On Jul 3, 2018, at 2:34 AM, Europa-List Digest Server wrote: > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 18-07-02&Archive=Europa > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 18-07-02&Archive=Europa > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Europa-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon 07/02/18: 3 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 02:13 AM - Czech Trip - possible spare seat (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) > 2. 06:11 AM - Re: Endurance test (William Daniell) > 3. 09:19 AM - Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder (willydewey) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:13:43 AM PST US > From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk > Subject: Europa-List: Czech Trip - possible spare seat > > > Just a reminder that the Czech trip is due to start on Sunday 15/7/18. I > have four plane signed up for this and there is a possibility that one > of these may be able to offer a spare seat. Anyone interested (in the > spare seat or the trip) come back to me soonest. Regards, David Joyce, > G-XSDJ > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:11:37 AM PST US > From: William Daniell > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Endurance test > > So it was like a car trip when dad wont stop. > > I have a peepee tube....i need coffee in the mornings with predictable > results 45 mins later. Its not an entirely "watertight" process so I plan > to add adult diapers for the longer legs required to get me to miami..... > > By the way id like see see designs for relief tubes....perhaps offline as > this is a family show. > > I have a 10 gal turtlepack bladder in cradle that is strapped to the tie > bar. The fuel is fed to the tank via a facet pump. I made a push button > operating switch per buds comments. I transferred the fuel every 20 > mins, you can feel the pump operating and you can see the fuel rising up > the cobra. The pump feels different when sucking air and when the fuel in > the bladder is expended.... > > Will > > > William Daniell > LONGPORT > +57 310 295 0744 > > >> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018, 13:59 Rowland Carson wrote: >> >> On 2018-06-30, at 23:10, William Daniell >> wrote: >> >> >> FWIW today I took flew 338nm starting with 27 gals and landed with 11.5. >> >> 2:50 flight time according to my dynon. >> >> >> William - my worst personal Europa endurance test was right-seat in Tim >> Houlihan=99s G-BZTH when I drank a bottle of water while hanging ar > ound >> waiting for his flight plan to mature - and then omitted to make a >> pre-takeoff rudder inspection. The flight was only 2 hours but it seemed > a >> lot longer! I could not persuade Tim to deviate from his flight plan for > a >> comfort stop. >> >> Attached is a plot of a longer flight in the same aircraft which was MUCH >> more comfortable, thanks to better preflight actions. I can=99t rem > ember how >> much fuel was left at landing, but we were both comfortabe with it. 407.3 > 2 >> statute miles = 353.95 nautical miles, flight time 3:20. >> >> in friendship >> >> Rowland >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:19:47 AM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder > From: "willydewey" > > > with compressed air from a large tire with the reservoir absolutely topped up It > was a one hit solution for me!! > would have been nicer if the reservoir was a tad larger > > -------- > Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481346#481346 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:56 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Endurance Test thanks I imagine the suction from the airstream helps..... William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 7:12 AM, crouto wrote: > > The relief tube problem in the Europa is simplicity itself. > You will need a funnel of about 12-15cm diameter, 500mm of tubing which > will fit over the funnel outlet and 2 zip ties. (The funnels with a flat > side are best) > Drill a hole the outside diameter of the tube in the underseat storage. > Install one zip tie a cm or 2 from the tube=99s end and insert the tube into > the hole. Install the second zip tie near the end of the tube outside (t he > zip ties keep the tube in place). The funnel stows under the seat, tubin g > around the front of the stick. > I=99ve used this for 3 years on some of our 6+ hour legs. > Having an autopilot servo under the seat may complicate the installation > slightly, but we=99re experimenters and this should pose no problem .. > Creighton A-009 > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jul 3, 2018, at 2:34 AM, Europa-List Digest Server < > europa-list@matronics.com> wrote: > > > > * > > > > ======================= = > > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > > ======================= = > > > > Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the > > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest > formatted > > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > > of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > > > HTML Version: > > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style > 82701&View=html&Chapter 18-07-02&Archive=Europa > > > > Text Version: > > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style > 82701&View=txt&Chapter 18-07-02&Archive=Europa > > > > > > ======================= ======================== > > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > > ======================= ======================== > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Europa-List Digest Archive > > --- > > Total Messages Posted Mon 07/02/18: 3 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Today's Message Index: > > ---------------------- > > > > 1. 02:13 AM - Czech Trip - possible spare seat ( > davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) > > 2. 06:11 AM - Re: Endurance test (William Daniell) > > 3. 09:19 AM - Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder (willydewey) > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 02:13:43 AM PST US > > From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk > > Subject: Europa-List: Czech Trip - possible spare seat > > > > > > Just a reminder that the Czech trip is due to start on Sunday 15/7/18. I > > have four plane signed up for this and there is a possibility that one > > of these may be able to offer a spare seat. Anyone interested (in the > > spare seat or the trip) come back to me soonest. Regards, David Joyce, > > G-XSDJ > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 06:11:37 AM PST US > > From: William Daniell > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Endurance test > > > > So it was like a car trip when dad wont stop. > > > > I have a peepee tube....i need coffee in the mornings with predictable > > results 45 mins later. Its not an entirely "watertight" process so I > plan > > to add adult diapers for the longer legs required to get me to miami... .. > > > > By the way id like see see designs for relief tubes....perhaps offline as > > this is a family show. > > > > I have a 10 gal turtlepack bladder in cradle that is strapped to the ti e > > bar. The fuel is fed to the tank via a facet pump. I made a push > button > > operating switch per buds comments. I transferred the fuel every 20 > > mins, you can feel the pump operating and you can see the fuel rising up > > the cobra. The pump feels different when sucking air and when the fue l > in > > the bladder is expended.... > > > > Will > > > > > > William Daniell > > LONGPORT > > +57 310 295 0744 > > > > > >> On Sun, Jul 1, 2018, 13:59 Rowland Carson > wrote: > >> > >> On 2018-06-30, at 23:10, William Daniell > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> FWIW today I took flew 338nm starting with 27 gals and landed with 11. 5. > >> > >> 2:50 flight time according to my dynon. > >> > >> > >> William - my worst personal Europa endurance test was right-seat in Ti m > >> Houlihan=99s G-BZTH when I drank a bottle of water while hanging ar > > ound > >> waiting for his flight plan to mature - and then omitted to make a > >> pre-takeoff rudder inspection. The flight was only 2 hours but it > seemed > > a > >> lot longer! I could not persuade Tim to deviate from his flight plan > for > > a > >> comfort stop. > >> > >> Attached is a plot of a longer flight in the same aircraft which was > MUCH > >> more comfortable, thanks to better preflight actions. I can=99t rem > > ember how > >> much fuel was left at landing, but we were both comfortabe with it. > 407.3 > > 2 > >> statute miles = 353.95 nautical miles, flight time 3:20. > >> > >> in friendship > >> > >> Rowland > >> > >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > > > > Time: 09:19:47 AM PST US > > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Jamar Brake Cylinder > > From: "willydewey" > > > > > > with compressed air from a large tire with the reservoir absolutely > topped up It > > was a one hit solution for me!! > > would have been nicer if the reservoir was a tad larger > > > > -------- > > Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481346#481346 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.