---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/12/18: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:15 AM - Re: Home made soft start module for Rotax 914 (Ivor) 2. 03:27 AM - Re: Re: Home made soft start module for Rotax 914 (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 3. 01:23 PM - Re: Home made soft start module for Rotax 914 (trevord) 4. 01:35 PM - Dynon FlightDEK D180 (trevord) 5. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Home made soft start module for Rotax 914 (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 6. 02:06 PM - Warpdrive pitch for 912ul (Dave Allen) 7. 04:02 PM - Re: Home made soft start module for Rotax 914 (JonathanMilbank) 8. 06:58 PM - Re: Home made soft start module for Rotax 914 (trevord) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:10 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Home made soft start module for Rotax 914 From: "Ivor" I concur with Robert on this, My 10year old 914 hasnt been a problem starting using the standard starter motor, remember its basically a low compression 912 with a turbo, the soft start was more for the 912s with the higher compression to stop kick backs, some start using just the A mag then switch on the B mag when she starts to fire, i personally havent bothered because its never been a problem, spend your money elsewhere IMO Ivor Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481596#481596 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:36 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Home made soft start module for Rotax 914 Me too. It has always been my impression that the soft start is only applicable to the 912S. My 914 which must be of a similar vintage has been starting effortlessly on both mags since 2002 In standard format as supplied by Europa. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2018-07-12 10:14, Ivor wrote: > > I concur with Robert on this, My 10year old 914 hasnEUR(tm)t been a problem > starting using the standard starter motor, > remember itEUR(tm)s basically a low compression 912 with a turbo, the soft start > was more for the 912s with the higher compression to stop kick backs, > some start using just the A mag then switch on the B mag when she starts > to fire, i personally havenEUR(tm)t bothered because itEUR(tm)s never been a problem, > spend your money elsewhere IMO > Ivor > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481596#481596 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481596#481596 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:12 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Home made soft start module for Rotax 914 From: "trevord" Thanks Ivor and Bob, All the stuff I have read and watched relates to the 912 including some scary videos of the damage the kickback does. I assumed that the 914 was equally affected but your experience is interesting and with the lower compression of the 914 is logical. The lead acid batteries of course arrived dead, so I am upgrading to Earthx lithium iron phosphate batteries are a fraction of the weight of the old ones and put out more AMPs I am told, when required for starting. This should help also to avoid the damage which apparently is compounded when the battery is low and can cause it to kick back repeatedly without starting. Thanks again gentlemen for your advice, is there anything else I should consider changing ? I am told the older style crankcase can cause crankcase fretting issues but clearly this is a big job so would prefer to avoid this and the sprag clutch has been improved to make it stronger. It has also been mentioned that the carburettor jets on the early type could be upgraded and perhaps some other things - all advice welcome as I am a newbie to the Europa (one hour type training so far) and the Rotax, but have owned a GA aircraft for many years. Kind regards Trevor -------- Trevor Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481616#481616 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:35:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Dynon FlightDEK D180 From: "trevord" Hello All, With my incomplete kit arrived a FlightDEK D180 still in the box. Investigation indicates this is an early one before the Super Bright option arrived. I personally prefer round dials not simulated by a screen, so I am thinking of "going back" to getting nice round clear instruments for my finished kit. Does anyone have experience of the older FlightDEK D180 and if this is worth pursuing and what advantages if any there of the EFIS are over nice clear round dials which fail independently. It looks to me that it just saves panel space and looked cool perhaps 10 years ago... to me they just seem hard to read. Apparently it can be "upgraded" to the bright screen for $400, but of course it will still be the small screen. Thoughts ? Regards Trevor -------- Trevor Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481617#481617 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:59:11 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Home made soft start module for Rotax 914 Trevor, The gas recombinant Odyssey battery works extremely well with the 914 has incredible torquing power and is relatively light, maintenance free and not expensive. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2018-07-12 21:22, trevord wrote: > > Thanks Ivor and Bob, > > All the stuff I have read and watched relates to the 912 including some scary videos of the damage the kickback does. I assumed that the 914 was equally affected but your experience is interesting and with the lower compression of the 914 is logical. > > The lead acid batteries of course arrived dead, so I am upgrading to Earthx lithium iron phosphate batteries are a fraction of the weight of the old ones and put out more AMPs I am told, when required for starting. This should help also to avoid the damage which apparently is compounded when the battery is low and can cause it to kick back repeatedly without starting. > > Thanks again gentlemen for your advice, is there anything else I should consider changing ? I am told the older style crankcase can cause crankcase fretting issues but clearly this is a big job so would prefer to avoid this and the sprag clutch has been improved to make it stronger. > > It has also been mentioned that the carburettor jets on the early type could be upgraded and perhaps some other things - all advice welcome as I am a newbie to the Europa (one hour type training so far) and the Rotax, but have owned a GA aircraft for many years. > > Kind regards > Trevor > > -------- > Trevor > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481616#481616 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481616#481616 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://wiki.matronics.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:48 PM PST US From: Dave Allen Subject: Europa-List: Warpdrive pitch for 912ul As i have to replace my damaged fixed pitch propellor I need to identify the required pitch angle. Could anyone give me some idea of the optimum pitch setting. Dave Allen G-BYIK Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:28 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Home made soft start module for Rotax 914 From: "JonathanMilbank" Trevor, I learned the hard way that having a separate starter cranking button can be very useful. My present engine's an 'S' with high compression and I agree totally with what the other respondents have stated. My original engine was a 912UL and never gave starting difficulties, having the same/similar compression to the 914. However if you opt for a heavier propeller such as the Airmaster and some day find that your battery has low charge, then "kick-back" is a possibility because the propeller inertia needs to be overcome before giving the engine sparks. First press the separate starter button for 1 or 2 seconds before either flicking the "mag" switches to ON or turning the ACS key to BOTH. This technique is used by many/most pilots who have the 100hp 'S' engines with heavy propellers, or so I'm told. The "hard way" mentioned above involved having to replace the sprag clutch after repeated "kick-backs". A separate starter cranking button is a simple and cheap option. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481621#481621 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:30 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Home made soft start module for Rotax 914 From: "trevord" Thanks Johnathan, Separate starter and mags makes sense - this is a bit like starting the Stearman or YAK52 - Ha - you have to get the thing moving first before engaging the ignition coils. I will do this with the wiring then. All feedback much appreciated Regards Trevor -------- Trevor Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481623#481623 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.