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Sat 08/04/18


Total Messages Posted: 4



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     1. 02:43 AM - UK pilots to fly scouts at Defford (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
     2. 09:15 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Fuel_Tank_Bulge? ()
     3. 11:01 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Bulge (Bud Yerly)
     4. 03:28 PM - Re: XS Fuel Tank Kiwi Mod (Roland)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:43:54 AM PST US
    From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
    Subject: UK pilots to fly scouts at Defford
    Dear UK pilots, We are coming up to the annual scouts camp at Defford (10nm N of Gloucester) on 8 September. The Europa community has given great support to this event in previous years and I would be grateful to hear from anyone who might be able to help this year. Some details attached and full briefing available on request. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ


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    Time: 09:15:14 AM PST US
    From: <duanefamly@aol.com>
    Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Fuel_Tank_Bulge?
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    Time: 11:01:03 AM PST US
    From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: RE: Fuel Tank Bulge
    Mike, That is the ugliest tank bulge I have personally seen. But this had happen ed before to someone in the UK and the tank was replaced. It appears that the upper support bracket on the front has sagged and I=92m sure the tank has settled toward the floor or any support under the tank a nd it is giving you some serious problems. I would say with some confidenc e that the front tank thickness is not up to specifications and is thin eno ugh to bow more than what is normal. I would order a new tank personally. If you wish to soldier on: Some things that appear in the photo: 1. You have a conduit that appears to be coming down and will eventually rest on your push rod arm, so that may need some attention. 2. The top of the tank support will be a bummer to reinforce right now i f in fact it is sagging. Take a good look at it and check it is still secu re to the front and don=92t ask me how I would go back in and fix that. I would jack up the tank with a 2x4 or similar and see if it moves. If it do es, that will be tough to fix. 3. You could fab up another tank brace to push the bulge back. I would probably make it adjustable myself to slowly push the bulge back. I think I would empty the tank, pull the fuel bosses out and insert 1 inch 90 degre e heater hose for draining and plug them=85 I would then warm the tank up with a hot water filling, hoping to not crack it, then rapidly empty it and start putting in a board with braces and wedges to push it back to clear p lus a =BC inch and see if it stays after it cools. Of course for you in La s Vegas in mid summer that might be 2AM in the morning. If it pushes in a bit, then spend the time expanding the existing forward tank supports using the same concept as the original cockpit build manual. In your case, cons ider remaking your tank braces wider (all the way from the outboard positio n where they are more toward and even with the center tunnel) and installed as before to clear the spars. The flat braces against the tank must hold the tank back and be really stiff but not very thick to prevent the tank fr om bulging into the controls. Tempered aluminum angle (6061 T-6 comes to m ind rather than 20 series hardware store aluminum. You don=92t have much s pace to work with, but a larger aluminum stock may be necessary. 4. The tank bulge is gross enough I would say you are a candidate for fu rther problems. New tanks have that diagonal molding to prevent that sort of thing. The excessive heat in your area of the world is a curse and a bl essing. The hot fuel and a thin tank wall probably caused this, but may al low you to do a fairly quick band aid fix. Best Regards, Bud Yerly Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: duanefamly@aol.com <duanefamly@aol.com> Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 12:04:00 PM Cc: budyerly@msn.com Subject: Fuel Tank Bulge Good morning all, After finishing my FAA required 40 hour test program, I took =93Eddie=94 ho me to give her a 50 hour inspection, make a few adjustments, and change out a panel instrument. One of the issues I wanted to address that cropped up during the flight testing was her unwillingness to come back to neutral onc e a left or right turn was initiated. I could smoothly bring her back, but I feel she should be self-stabilizing. Upon inspection after the wings were removed, it didn=92t take long to see the issue. It seems that the fuel ta nk has taken a decided forward =93bulge=94 along the centerline of the tank on the front tank wall and is pressing up against the Aileron Control Cros s Link Rod CS12 that attaches to both CS08 cranks. While the pressure is no t enough to prevent the control rod to move side to side when commanded, it is of sufficient force to prevent the aileron controls from self centering =85..and enough to place a just barely noticeable bend in the Aileron Cross Link Rod. I hope that the server does not strip the three photos I have at tached. So my questions to those that have dealt with tank bulge previously are: 1. Am I to be concerned that the tank will split? 2. Can I place an expandable brace against the front wall of the cockpit module and slowly =93press=94 the bulge back to whence it came? Or at leas t in far enough so as to not interfere with the Cross Link Rod? I appreciate all inputs. Mike Duane Las Vegas, NV, USA N377EA Europa XS Conventional Gear Sent from Windows Mail


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    Time: 03:28:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: XS Fuel Tank Kiwi Mod
    From: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de>
    Friends, in the middle of the flying season I'm in for a fuel tank replacement on my Europa XS Trigear (first flight 2001, after a couple of flight hours converted to a Trigear and second first flight as such in 2004). To make a long story short we have an unusual dry and hot (almost 40C) summer here in Germany. I was on holidays for two weeks when my Europa was stored in its enclosed trailer with a full tank (like always). After I returned, fuel leaked from the access holes under the belly by about one drop per second. I immediately checked fuel filler hose, fuel gascolators, hose connections on the tank bottom to no avail. Then I began to drain the tank and after I drained about 15 litres no more fuel leaked. I inspected the tank through the spar holes and every point I could see but didn't discover a crack. Still hoping, that it would only be fuel expansion due to the extreme temperatures and although I already knew better in the back of my mind I refueled again with the same amount of fuel and the dropping started again - of course. Since I've heard of a couple of Europas with cracked tanks I'm now thinking of installing the aluminium tank of Bill and Sue Sisley from New Zealand. This seems the way to go, since the plastic tank is obviously not up for the job in the longer run. Another advantage might be its resistance against Ethanol which will become more of an issue in the future. Is there anybody else of you out there using an aluminium tank instead of plastic? Any experiences and thoughts much appreciated. Regards Roland XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482060#482060




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