---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/05/18: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:13 AM - Roland Schmit Europa. Fuel Tank Debacle. (Bob Harrison) 2. 07:00 AM - Re: Roland Schmit Europa. Fuel Tank Debacle. (Mike Christine Duane) 3. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: XS Fuel Tank Kiwi Mod (Bud Yerly) 4. 09:31 AM - Water pump removal =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C2=AB=C2-in?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?aircraft=C2-=C2=BB?= XS (JohnFrance) 5. 10:37 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Water_pump_removal_=C3=82=C2=AB=C3=82?= =?utf-8?Q?=C2-inaircraft=C2-=C2=BB_XS? (Kevin Challis) 6. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: XS Fuel Tank Kiwi Mod (Pete) 7. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: XS Fuel Tank Kiwi Mod (Bud Yerly) 8. 12:15 PM - =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:__Water_pump_removal_=C2=AB=C2-inaircra?= =?Windows-1252?B?ZnTCoMK7IFhT? (Bud Yerly) 9. 12:35 PM - Mono Wheel Trailer Mods (Bud Yerly) 10. 12:55 PM - Re: Water pump removal =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C2=AB=C2-in?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?aircraft=C2-=C2=BB?= XS (graeme bird) 11. 02:33 PM - Re: Mono Wheel Trailer Mods (Martin Tuck) 12. 03:22 PM - Re: Mono Wheel Trailer Mods (Bud Yerly) 13. 03:35 PM - Re: Roland Schmit Europa. Fuel Tank Debacle. (Roland) 14. 09:41 PM - =?UTF-8?Q?Re:__Water_pump_?= =?UTF-8?Q?removal_=C3=82=C2=AB=C3=82=C2-in?= =?UTF-8?Q?aircraft=C3=82=C2-=C3=82=C2=BB_XS? (NEEL Jean Philippe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:47 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Roland Schmit Europa. Fuel Tank Debacle. Hi! Roland, Just picked up your leaking tank Messages from my Junk List and tried to transfer them to my Inbox to send you my commiserations, but they have vanished into cyber space! Sad to hear your message about your Europa tank. If your trailer was outside in the current heat and not white reflective the temps inside would be baking ? Also was the vent clear to allow expansion inside the closed off fuel system ? sometimes with my aluminium long range system I have been known to leave its own vent closed and it contains a very high pressure due to weather expansion, so it is a factor , but alas too late for your incident any way. Whilst it is a major job to replace the existing tank it has been done in the past so I wouldn't jump into the aluminium route before major considerations of availability etc. One thing is certain and that is provided it is all done in a very controlled way the resin issue will cure quickly but you must do it to the book since the cross member is a major structural item . Sad to hear your message though ......."best made plans of mice and men" comes to mind. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG PS look on the bright side .........my "tank" (bladder) has cancer back after 5 years and I go for what I hope is a scrape out on 23rd August ! Best wishes. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:00 AM PST US From: Mike Christine Duane Subject: Re: Europa-List: Roland Schmit Europa. Fuel Tank Debacle. Good day Bob, my tank is not leaking.....yet. Just a very pronounced bulge o n the front wall interfering with the Aileron Cross Rod. While the vent is c lear, Living in Las Vegas in the summer is like flying in a convection oven. Has been averaging about 110=99 (42=99) temperature wise these p ast few weeks and will stay like that for a few more. I am going to try heat ing up the empty tank and then some reverse pressure in the form of an expan ding (over a few days) brace. As for your tank, best wishes in that the =9Cscraping=9D is succ essful. Mike Duane N377EA Europe XS Conventional Gear Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 5, 2018, at 4:13 AM, Bob Harrison wrote: > > Hi! Roland, > Just picked up your leaking tank Messages from my Junk List and tried to t ransfer them to my Inbox to send you my commiserations, but they have vanish ed into cyber space! > Sad to hear your message about your Europa tank. > If your trailer was outside in the current heat and not white reflective t he temps inside would be baking ? Also was the vent clear to allow expansio n inside the closed off fuel system ? sometimes with my aluminium long range system I have been known to leave its own vent closed and it contains a ver y high pressure due to weather expansion, so it is a factor , but alas too l ate for your incident any way. Whilst it is a major job to replace the exist ing tank it has been done in the past so I wouldn=99t jump into the a luminium route before major considerations of availability etc. One thing i s certain and that is provided it is all done in a very controlled way the r esin issue will cure quickly but you must do it to the book since the cross m ember is a major structural item . > Sad to hear your message though .......=9Dbest made plans of mice an d men=9D comes to mind. > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > PS look on the bright side .........my =9Ctank=9D (bladder) ha s cancer back after 5 years and I go for what I hope is a scrape out on 23rd August ! > Best wishes. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:10 AM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: XS Fuel Tank Kiwi Mod Roland, I am no longer a Europa dealer, so I'm saying this as an owner. The new E uropa tank is quite improved. On my website, you can see how I've done thi s as well as how to properly support the tank. It is also on the Europa cl ub website. I am a 9 year survivor of a tank replacement. My tank is kept nearly full always and in 95F weather. The PTFE tank doesn't sweat, and hasn't bulged at all. All the fittings fit without modification. Regards, Bud Yerly www. customflightcreations.com Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Roland Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 6:27:55 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: XS Fuel Tank Kiwi Mod Friends, in the middle of the flying season I'm in for a fuel tank replacement on my Europa XS Trigear (first flight 2001, after a couple of flight hours conve rted to a Trigear and second first flight as such in 2004). To make a long story short we have an unusual dry and hot (almost 40=C2=B0C ) summer here in Germany. I was on holidays for two weeks when my Europa wa s stored in its enclosed trailer with a full tank (like always). After I re turned, fuel leaked from the access holes under the belly by about one drop per second. I immediately checked fuel filler hose, fuel gascolators, hose connections on the tank bottom to no avail. Then I began to drain the tank and after I drained about 15 litres no more fuel leaked. I inspected the t ank through the spar holes and every point I could see but didn't discover a crack. Still hoping, that it would only be fuel expansion due to the extr eme temperatures and although I already knew better in the back of my mind I refueled again with the same amount of fuel and the dropping started agai n - of course. Since I've heard of a couple of Europas with cracked tanks I'm now thinking of installing the aluminium tank of Bill and Sue Sisley from New Zealand. This seems the way to go, since the plastic tank is obviously not up for th e job in the longer run. Another advantage might be its resistance against Ethanol which will become more of an issue in the future. Is there anybody else of you out there using an aluminium tank instead of p lastic? Any experiences and thoughts much appreciated. Regards Roland XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.m atronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D482060%23482060&data=02%7C01%7C%7C 05d725d26ad048eb775a08d5fa5a081f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0 %7C636690186958263201&sdata=49udcylONy6Ma4C9okVu9YFKhBkB0r0w1QRTrdEIr ZM%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&data=02%7C01%7C%7C05d 725d26ad048eb775a08d5fa5a081f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C 636690186958263201&sdata=HxEHWaUjfw2sxwcDbMg0wuajWPb9pHL0xOSKr9Sreyk% 3D&reserved=0 F%2Fforums.matronics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C05d725d26ad048eb775a08d5fa 5a081f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636690186958263201& sdata=OhkpLzSWcHqYMM0DU%2BBSiM1Sjf7MiBWg9ZUMHevwsVg%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwiki.matronics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C05d725d26ad048eb775a08d5fa5a 081f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636690186958263201&sd ata=gUXKvKtGGtG6XrD12tDIAqh4bfZreDIhb9zo3bXW8DU%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2Fcontribution&data=02%7C01%7C%7C05d725d26ad048 eb775a08d5fa5a081f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63669018695 8263201&sdata=5MnYY9h0E0qLiOWOU9qvt08j0sZ%2BwHJWkwr7AejlPl8%3D&re served=0 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Water pump removal =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C2=AB=C2-in?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?aircraft=C2-=C2=BB?= XS From: "JohnFrance" <77alembert@gmail.com> Hello, I have an intermittent coolant leak on my classic which has a XS firewall forward package. Is it possible to remove the water pump from the engine while it is in situ on the aircraft? In spite of doing pressure tests, running the aircraft with the cowlings off I have been on the unable to trace the origin of the leak, it does not leak cold with a pressure of 1,4 bars. On some flights there is no discernible leak, on others I have lost up to 150 ml during a two hour flight. There is a bit of a white deposit on the exhaust heat shield underneath the water pump. I have also found liquid on the aluminium plate above the radiators but the air passage through the radiators has always been dry. I would rather be sure of where the leak is coming from prior to taking anything apart. Does anyone have some experience or knowledge they could share with me? Regards, John -------- Europa mono Nr 192 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482077#482077 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:07 AM PST US From: Kevin Challis Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Water_pump_removal_=C3=82=C2=AB=C3=82?= =?utf-8?Q?=C2-inaircraft=C2-=C2=BB_XS? Worth checking/replacing the Radiator cap (not on the rad I know)? Kevin Challis > On 5 Aug 2018, at 17:30, JohnFrance <77alembert@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > I have an intermittent coolant leak on my classic which has a XS firewall forward package. > Is it possible to remove the water pump from the engine while it is in situ on the aircraft? > In spite of doing pressure tests, running the aircraft with the cowlings off I have been on the unable to trace the origin of the leak, it does not leak cold with a pressure of 1,4 bars. > On some flights there is no discernible leak, on others I have lost up to 150 ml during a two hour flight. > There is a bit of a white deposit on the exhaust heat shield underneath the water pump. I have also found liquid on the aluminium plate above the radiators but the air passage through the radiators has always been dry. > > I would rather be sure of where the leak is coming from prior to taking anything apart. Does anyone have some experience or knowledge they could share with me? > > Regards, > John > > -------- > Europa mono Nr 192 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482077#482077 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: XS Fuel Tank Kiwi Mod From: Pete Make sure the replacement has been properly flourinated. I had my tank flour inated in atlanta (same guys who do the auto gas tanks for the big guys as w ell as shampoo bottles etc.), and even though mine was done by the europa su pplier, it came back from my guys with a total frosted finish....so somethin g incremental was appearantly done. I made sure to do all my tank trimming p rior to getting it done, so theoretically it should be encapsulated to preve nt swelling. As me in 10 years if it worked (after i get my pile of parts in the air lol) Cheers, Pete > On Aug 5, 2018, at 12:19 PM, Bud Yerly wrote: > > Roland, > I am no longer a Europa dealer, so I'm saying this as an owner. The new E uropa tank is quite improved. On my website, you can see how I've done this as well as how to properly support the tank. It is also on the Europa club website. > > I am a 9 year survivor of a tank replacement. My tank is kept nearly full always and in 95F weather. The PTFE tank doesn't sweat, and hasn't bulged a t all. All the fittings fit without modification. > > Regards, > Bud Yerly > www. customflightcreations.com > > Bud Yerly > Custom Flight Creations > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Roland > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 6:27:55 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Re: XS Fuel Tank Kiwi Mod > > > Friends, > > in the middle of the flying season I'm in for a fuel tank replacement on m y Europa XS Trigear (first flight 2001, after a couple of flight hours conve rted to a Trigear and second first flight as such in 2004). > > To make a long story short we have an unusual dry and hot (almost 40=C2=B0 C) summer here in Germany. I was on holidays for two weeks when my Europa wa s stored in its enclosed trailer with a full tank (like always). After I ret urned, fuel leaked from the access holes under the belly by about one drop p er second. I immediately checked fuel filler hose, fuel gascolators, hose co nnections on the tank bottom to no avail. Then I began to drain the tank and after I drained about 15 litres no more fuel leaked. I inspected the tank t hrough the spar holes and every point I could see but didn't discover a crac k. Still hoping, that it would only be fuel expansion due to the extreme tem peratures and although I already knew better in the back of my mind I refuel ed again with the same amount of fuel and the dropping started again - of co urse. > > Since I've heard of a couple of Europas with cracked tanks I'm now thinkin g of installing the aluminium tank of Bill and Sue Sisley from New Zealand. T his seems the way to go, since the plastic tank is obviously not up for the j ob in the longer run. Another advantage might be its resistance against Etha nol which will become more of an issue in the future. > > Is there anybody else of you out there using an aluminium tank instead of p lastic? 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Only the original tan ks done before about 2000. Anyway, almost 10 years with mine now and noth ing done to the tank and it is fine. Older tanks than 2006 I won=92t bet o n anything. Best Regards, Bud Yerly Sent from Mail for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Pete Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 1:36:51 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: XS Fuel Tank Kiwi Mod Make sure the replacement has been properly flourinated. I had my tank flou rinated in atlanta (same guys who do the auto gas tanks for the big guys as well as shampoo bottles etc.), and even though mine was done by the europa supplier, it came back from my guys with a total frosted finish....so some thing incremental was appearantly done. I made sure to do all my tank trimm ing prior to getting it done, so theoretically it should be encapsulated to prevent swelling. As me in 10 years if it worked (after i get my pile of p arts in the air lol) Cheers, Pete On Aug 5, 2018, at 12:19 PM, Bud Yerly > wrote: Roland, I am no longer a Europa dealer, so I'm saying this as an owner. The new E uropa tank is quite improved. On my website, you can see how I've done thi s as well as how to properly support the tank. It is also on the Europa cl ub website. I am a 9 year survivor of a tank replacement. My tank is kept nearly full always and in 95F weather. The PTFE tank doesn't sweat, and hasn't bulged at all. All the fittings fit without modification. Regards, Bud Yerly www. customflightcreations.com Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > on behalf of Roland > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 6:27:55 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: XS Fuel Tank Kiwi Mod hmidtroland@web.de>> Friends, in the middle of the flying season I'm in for a fuel tank replacement on my Europa XS Trigear (first flight 2001, after a couple of flight hours conve rted to a Trigear and second first flight as such in 2004). To make a long story short we have an unusual dry and hot (almost 40=B0C) s ummer here in Germany. I was on holidays for two weeks when my Europa was s tored in its enclosed trailer with a full tank (like always). After I retur ned, fuel leaked from the access holes under the belly by about one drop pe r second. I immediately checked fuel filler hose, fuel gascolators, hose co nnections on the tank bottom to no avail. Then I began to drain the tank an d after I drained about 15 litres no more fuel leaked. I inspected the tank through the spar holes and every point I could see but didn't discover a c rack. Still hoping, that it would only be fuel expansion due to the extreme temperatures and although I already knew better in the back of my mind I r efueled again with the same amount of fuel and the dropping started again - of course. Since I've heard of a couple of Europas with cracked tanks I'm now thinking of installing the aluminium tank of Bill and Sue Sisley from New Zealand. This seems the way to go, since the plastic tank is obviously not up for th e job in the longer run. Another advantage might be its resistance against Ethanol which will become more of an issue in the future. Is there anybody else of you out there using an aluminium tank instead of p lastic? Any experiences and thoughts much appreciated. 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John, It is a laundry list of checks I=92m afraid: 1. If you are seeing coolant on the duct it may be from * The lowest bolt, the stainless one in the Rotax Maintenance Manual , on the water pump has to be properly inserted and sealed. If not there w ill be a tell tale drip. * Coolant hoses can leak as corrosion around the soft aluminum nippl e will push the hose, and then under pressure may flake off and leave a sli ght seep. * The gasket on the water pump itself may be leaking. * Of course it can be the swivel on the 1 inch housing on the pump o r the 1 inch hose. 2. The Water Pump is very difficult to service with the engine on. That is why I make my engines so easy to remove. 3. You may also find you are having localized boiling if your CHT is run ning above 245F. The localize boiling will cause the cap (check your cap p ressure release also) to vent into the tank, then it goes overboard. All I can say is continue to look. Best Regards, Bud Yerly Sent from Mail for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of JohnFrance <77alembert@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 12:30:44 PM Subject: Europa-List: Water pump removal =C2=AB=C2 inaircraft=C2 =C2=BB XS Hello, I have an intermittent coolant leak on my classic which has a XS firewall forward package. Is it possible to remove the water pump from the engine while it is in situ on the aircraft? In spite of doing pressure tests, running the aircraft with the cowlings o ff I have been on the unable to trace the origin of the leak, it does not l eak cold with a pressure of 1,4 bars. On some flights there is no discernible leak, on others I have lost up to 1 50 ml during a two hour flight. There is a bit of a white deposit on the exhaust heat shield underneath the water pump. I have also found liquid on the aluminium plate above the radi ators but the air passage through the radiators has always been dry. I would rather be sure of where the leak is coming from prior to taking any thing apart. Does anyone have some experience or knowledge they could share with me? Regards, John -------- Europa mono Nr 192 Read this topic online here: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.m atronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D482077%23482077&data=02%7C01%7C%7C 9b032b8d9e5c429c6ae608d5faf1480e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0 %7C636690836559064506&sdata=2GRt7%2Ffq50JErS%2F3OrtyLlPNLk%2BuSgTVBxF 2%2FVI6d%2Fg%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9b0 32b8d9e5c429c6ae608d5faf1480e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C 636690836559064506&sdata=tibB7KCdJzBGU3xVkTzXPdWGJzHX0XpGCCHKoUarXRM% 3D&reserved=0 F%2Fforums.matronics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9b032b8d9e5c429c6ae608d5fa f1480e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636690836559064506& sdata=FELYR%2FQU6RkkOdhem%2B9pGc%2Fp1OY63xa1pQwFiWLk0uY%3D&reserved =0 F%2Fwiki.matronics.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9b032b8d9e5c429c6ae608d5faf1 480e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636690836559064506&sd ata=MUbfaBvGSYZnfU7d0yeI6xE2GoFpyFWEn5PGmYJFDcY%3D&reserved=0 F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2Fcontribution&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9b032b8d9e5c42 9c6ae608d5faf1480e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63669083655 9064506&sdata=8IHRniFdt%2FiDCjo8IDzYwIhjne1grsL1U3tqW53FzP8%3D&re served=0 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:18 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: Europa-List: Mono Wheel Trailer Mods Guys, I=92ve done a short youtube video on mods I make to the mono trailer to pre vent aircraft damage and make loading easier. I show the following in the video: 1. For loading ease: * Ramp to raise the trailer drop ramp to ease the pull on and preven t the inboard wing brackets from hitting the trailer. * Tire slot tightening. * Winch. * Main and tailwheel tie down hints. 2. Wing rack changes and distances are discussed. 3. Trailer jack installs. Go to my website www.customflightcreations.com, Techniques Articles and Build Information, click link to article s, Click on the Youtube link for the Europa Monowheel Trailer Mods. Or go direct to youtube and search =93Europa Mono Trailer Mods Short=94 or the li nk at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMHilMEKJk Best Regards, Bud Yerly Sent from Mail for Window s 10 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:38 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Water pump removal =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C2=AB=C2-in?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?aircraft=C2-=C2=BB?= XS From: "graeme bird" I have had two leaks on mine; the first was from new and on the port side 1" pipe joint above the radiator, I concluded when shutting down the water, no longer circulating, heated here from the exhaust and engine and wept out of the vertical joint. I changed to silicone pipe, wrapped it in insulation webbing and used a better quality clamp. The second leak was a tiny hole in the radiator. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp SR3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini 2 axis AP, PAW, PFLARM core, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus, Smart A3 350 hours & 6 years on the Mono, 930 total g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482089#482089 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono Wheel Trailer Mods From: Martin Tuck Hi Bud, Excellent video on Europa trailer mods. Where can you obtain left and right hand threaded rod ends you were showing for the landing leg 'scoop' attachment? Regards, Martin Tuck On 8/5/2018 2:34 PM, Bud Yerly wrote: > > Guys, > > Ive done a short youtube video on mods I make to the mono trailer to > prevent aircraft damage and make loading easier. > > I show the following in the video: > > 1. For loading ease: > 1. Ramp to raise the trailer drop ramp to ease the pull on and > prevent the inboard wing brackets from hitting the trailer. > 2. Tire slot tightening. > 3. Winch. > 4. Main and tailwheel tie down hints. > 2. Wing rack changes and distances are discussed. > 3. Trailer jack installs. > > Go to my website www.customflightcreations.com > , Techniques Articles and Build > Information, click link to articles, Click on the Youtube link for the > Europa Monowheel Trailer Mods. Or go direct to youtube and search > Europa Mono Trailer Mods Short or the link at: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMHilMEKJk > > Best Regards, > > Bud Yerly > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:06 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mono Wheel Trailer Mods Attached is the last rebuild I did in pdf with info on where I got the part s from. Regards, Bud Yerly Sent from Mail for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Martin Tuck Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 5:33:23 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono Wheel Trailer Mods Hi Bud, Excellent video on Europa trailer mods. Where can you obtain left and right hand threaded rod ends you were showing for the landing leg 'scoop' attach ment? Regards, Martin Tuck On 8/5/2018 2:34 PM, Bud Yerly wrote: Guys, I=EF=BDve done a short youtube video on mods I make to the mono trailer to prevent aircraft damage and make loading easier. I show the following in the video: 1. For loading ease: * Ramp to raise the trailer drop ramp to ease the pull on and preven t the inboard wing brackets from hitting the trailer. * Tire slot tightening. * Winch. * Main and tailwheel tie down hints. 2. Wing rack changes and distances are discussed. 3. Trailer jack installs. =EF=BD Go to my website www.customflightcreations.com, Techniques Articles and Build Informatio n, click link to articles, Click on the Youtube link for the Europa Monowhe el Trailer Mods.=EF=BD Or go direct to youtube and search =EF=BDEurop a Mono Trailer Mods Short=EF=BD or the link at: https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=AkMHilMEKJk =EF=BD Best Regards, Bud Yerly=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF =BD=EF=BD=EF=BD =EF=BD Sent from Mail for Windows 10 =EF=BD ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:57 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Roland Schmit Europa. Fuel Tank Debacle. From: "Roland" Hello Bob, I'm sorry to hear, that you are facing health problems again. Indeed a cracked tank is a problem others would happily like to exchange for their problems. This in mind I will think of you on the 23 August and cross my fingers that all goes well! Although my trailer is white with OAT exceeding 38C the temperatures inside will be even 5-10C higher I guess. I always refuel to the top when leaving the plane for a longer time to prevent condensation and to minimize the risk of cracking. Anyway I'm almost committed to the metal tank. The only disadvantage I could think of is that it's (maybe?) more prone to condensation. I also wouldn't be keen to be the guinea pig, but I'm less concerned, since at least some owners have done it successfully already. But even if I get a new fuel tank from Europa I take it from Bud's comments, that they are at least much better than the early ones in the meantime. I'll let you all know about my decisions in due course. Regards Roland XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482094#482094 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:54 PM PST US From: NEEL Jean Philippe Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Water_pump_?= =?UTF-8?Q?removal_=C3=82=C2=AB=C3=82=C2-in?= =?UTF-8?Q?aircraft=C3=82=C2-=C3=82=C2=BB_XS? John,Je connais bien toutes les recherches de fuites que tu as faites sur l e circuit d'eau. Elles mettent hors de cause toutes les durits et les colli ers de ce circuit. Le radiateur d'eau est situ=C3=A9 sous la t=C3=B4le ou a pparaissent les traces d'eau . Il est lui aussi hors de cause. Il ne reste plus que la pompe =C3- soup=C3=A7onner:=C2-- Le joint cuivre de la vis de vidange situ=C3=A9e sur le=C2-couvercle de pompe- Le joint papier entr e le couvercle et le corps de pompe- Le joint tournant huile /eau=C2-en =C2-c=C3=A9ramique. Ce type de joint est tr=C3=A8s utilis=C3=A9 en automo bile . Il peut se fissurer et=C2-devenir source de fuites al=C3=A9atoires comme sur ton moteur. On peut le remplacer mais cela n=C3=A9cessite de sor tir le moteur et l'utilisation=C2-d'outils sp=C3=A9ciaux.Tu peux voir=C2 -un schema en coupe de la pompe =C3- eau dans le "Maintenance Manuel He avy" section 75-00-00 =C2=A7 2 et 3.Amiti=C3=A9sJean-Philippe=C2- Le Dimanche 5 ao=C3=BBt 2018 18h37, JohnFrance <77alembert@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit : Hello, I have an intermittent coolant leak on my classic which has a XS firewall =C2- forward package. Is it possible to remove the water pump from the engine while it is in situ on the aircraft? In spite of doing pressure tests, running the aircraft with the cowlings o ff I have been on the unable to trace the origin of the leak, it does not l eak cold with a pressure of 1,4 bars. On some flights there is no discernible leak, on others I have lost up to 1 50 ml during a two hour flight. There is a bit of a white deposit on the exhaust heat shield underneath the water pump. I have also found liquid on the aluminium plate above the radi ators but the air passage through the radiators has always been dry. I would rather be sure of where the leak is coming from prior to taking any thing apart. Does anyone have some experience or knowledge they could share with me? 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