---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/03/18: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:53 AM - Re: Fuel line parts (Eoin Maguire) 2. 11:02 AM - Instrument Panel (Eoin Maguire) 3. 11:11 AM - Re: Instrument Panel (Mike Christine Duane) 4. 11:47 AM - Re: Instrument Panel (JonathanMilbank) 5. 01:07 PM - Re: Instrument Panel (Eoin Maguire) 6. 01:32 PM - Re: Re: Instrument Panel (Eoin Maguire) 7. 01:53 PM - Re: Instrument Panel (JonathanMilbank) 8. 02:38 PM - Re: Tailplane shaft installation (n7188u) 9. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: Instrument Panel (Alan Burrill) 10. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Instrument Panel (david park) 11. 11:25 PM - Re: Appeal to European Europa owners, aviation Garmin question (Richard Lamprey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:56 AM PST US From: Eoin Maguire Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel line parts Hi Rowland Apologies I just realised this message went into my junk mail so Ive only just seen it. Actually got sorted with Karen, shes hopefully dispatching the parts tomorrow so Im sorted. Kind Regards Eoin Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Sep 2018, at 14:30, Rowland Carson wrote: > > >> On 2018-09-27, at 14:10, Eoin Maguire wrote: >> >> Just wondering does anyone have any new t pieces (two of) and one t piece with restrictor for sale from the fuel system. >> >> Part nos from Europa catalogue: >> Restrictor - FS02 >> T Piece HFTS 6-6-6 > > > Eoin - sorry, I dont have any spare restrictors, but I do have 2-off HFTS 6-6-6 Tee-pieces surplus to requirements (Im using AN fittings and stainless braided fuel hose). Whereabouts in the world are you? I see that the Europa parts catalogue lists them at 5.68 each - have you asked Karen if they are in stock? > > As an afterthought, anyone with a small lathe (like me) and a bit of spare time (not like me!) could probably knock up a restrictor from a piece of brass stock quite easily. However, there does seem to be a range of opinions on the right size of hole - the Rotax values dont seem to match the pieces that Europa supplied. > > in friendship > > Rowland > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:12 AM PST US From: Eoin Maguire Subject: Europa-List: Instrument Panel Hi All This may sound like a daft question but Im trying to figure out how to access the back of our instrument panel. I need to change out the asi which when I take our the four alan bolts holding it in will fall back into the panel.....if Im right its a moulded panel so those the entire panel need to come away to get at it and if so how? Kind Regards Eoin Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:59 AM PST US From: Mike Christine Duane Subject: Re: Europa-List: Instrument Panel The full console is moulded but most builders have two aluminum faceplates. One for the instruments and the other for the radio stack. These each have mounting screws they allow you to remove each panel for modifications. Is yours not built this way? Mike Duane Europa XS Las Vegas, NV Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 3, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Eoin Maguire wrote: > > > Hi All > > This may sound like a daft question but Im trying to figure out how to access the back of our instrument panel. > > I need to change out the asi which when I take our the four alan bolts holding it in will fall back into the panel.....if Im right its a moulded panel so those the entire panel need to come away to get at it and if so how? > > Kind Regards > Eoin > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:30 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Instrument Panel From: "JonathanMilbank" Eoin, I hope you're small-built like me. This is just about the worst job that I've ever had to do, including the removal of engine and gearbox from an original little Morris Mini car. In fact it's worse than that because if your panel doesn't have the removable facia described by Mike, then you're going to be "in a world of pain"! The "binnacle" or console is attached to the firewall by screws inserted from the engine bay side, except for a few which are inserted from the cockpit side above the parcel shelf. Every time (6 times or so in 21 years) that I've done the ghastly job, I swear that the next time I won't replace it until I've modified the console with removable facia. But then I look at what's involved, chicken out and reinstall it telling myself that it'll never need to come out again. Idiot! I recommend that you save yourself the frightful task of having to rub away scratches from the inside of the windscreen by first making a thick-ish cardboard sheet, shaped to fit inside the screen and tape it with masking tape to the surrounding framework and/or upholstery. This is a top tip, believe me! Another top tip is to remove the two control sticks from their sockets and then lay cushions ( I use my seat cushions ) into the well so that they provide at least some protection for your back. >From here on in, you're on your own. Each time that I've done it I slide myself head-long down to the rudder pedals and lie face upwards. You'll probably need first to have removed whatever you can which projects up from the central tunnel and/or to have padded it to protect the under side of the console as you slide it out. A good light is a must! YOU WILL DEFINITELY NEED ANOTHER PAIR OF HANDS TO HELP YOU AT VARIOUS STAGES AND I SUGGEST THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BELONG TO YOUR WIFE. BAD LANGUAGE WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY FLOW PROFUSELY! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483566#483566 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:31 PM PST US From: Eoin Maguire Subject: Re: Europa-List: Instrument Panel Hi Mike Nope unfortunately mine is old school and the original moulded instrument panel is still in place! Kind Regards Eoin Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Oct 2018, at 19:14, Mike Christine Duane wrote: > > > The full console is moulded but most builders have two aluminum faceplates. One for the instruments and the other for the radio stack. These each have mounting screws they allow you to remove each panel for modifications. > Is yours not built this way? > Mike Duane > Europa XS > Las Vegas, NV > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 3, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Eoin Maguire wrote: >> >> >> Hi All >> >> This may sound like a daft question but Im trying to figure out how to access the back of our instrument panel. >> >> I need to change out the asi which when I take our the four alan bolts holding it in will fall back into the panel.....if Im right its a moulded panel so those the entire panel need to come away to get at it and if so how? >> >> Kind Regards >> Eoin >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:07 PM PST US From: Eoin Maguire Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Instrument Panel Cheers Jonathan Maybe the group might have a better solution to my problem so to save me whats sounds like a horrendous job. Long story short I bought the aircraft at the start of the year and have been working through a few tech issues before getting the aircraft permitted in Ireland. The aircraft has both a standard asi and dynon d10 neither of which registered an airspeed during the flight. On stripping down of the route of the pitot/static plumbing I found multiple kinks and badly made connections so replumbed from pitot/static port under wing right into the cockpit. Under the dash the original pipes connected into a 5 pin festo connector which Im assuming is used to split to feeds to the dynon and standard asi. Does anyone know a way of identifying how to test the asi or effectively identifying the old pipes still in place to figure out which is the static and which is the pitot without damaging the instruments ? Kind Regards Eoin Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Oct 2018, at 19:50, JonathanMilbank wrote: > > > Eoin, I hope you're small-built like me. This is just about the worst job that I've ever had to do, including the removal of engine and gearbox from an original little Morris Mini car. In fact it's worse than that because if your panel doesn't have the removable facia described by Mike, then you're going to be "in a world of pain"! > > The "binnacle" or console is attached to the firewall by screws inserted from the engine bay side, except for a few which are inserted from the cockpit side above the parcel shelf. Every time (6 times or so in 21 years) that I've done the ghastly job, I swear that the next time I won't replace it until I've modified the console with removable facia. But then I look at what's involved, chicken out and reinstall it telling myself that it'll never need to come out again. Idiot! > > I recommend that you save yourself the frightful task of having to rub away scratches from the inside of the windscreen by first making a thick-ish cardboard sheet, shaped to fit inside the screen and tape it with masking tape to the surrounding framework and/or upholstery. This is a top tip, believe me! Another top tip is to remove the two control sticks from their sockets and then lay cushions ( I use my seat cushions ) into the well so that they provide at least some protection for your back. > >> From here on in, you're on your own. Each time that I've done it I slide myself head-long down to the rudder pedals and lie face upwards. You'll probably need first to have removed whatever you can which projects up from the central tunnel and/or to have padded it to protect the under side of the console as you slide it out. A good light is a must! > > YOU WILL DEFINITELY NEED ANOTHER PAIR OF HANDS TO HELP YOU AT VARIOUS STAGES AND I SUGGEST THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BELONG TO YOUR WIFE. BAD LANGUAGE WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY FLOW PROFUSELY! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483566#483566 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:47 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Instrument Panel From: "JonathanMilbank" Testing of the ASI, as opposed to proper calibration, can be done by VERY gently and carefully blowing into the pitot ( or hose leading from pitot to instrument ) then putting your tongue over the end to block it while somebody looks at the instrument in the cockpit. Hopefully it won't show reducing airspeed until the pitot is unblocked. An alternative is to use a syringe instead of your mouth. If your Dynon ( I have one too ) is switched on as well, it will serve as comparison for the analogue ASI. Mine are within 1 knot of each other. What I suggested previously about removing the control sticks from their sockets was incomplete. To save your back as far as possible, the sockets should be unbolted from their forks and lain down on the cockpit floor. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483576#483576 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:23 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Tailplane shaft installation From: "n7188u" Graeme, Thanks for the feedback. I did make the front strut bigger (not as big as yours but quite rigid it is) and found to help a lot. I still needed the struts aft of the bulkhead so that when the top fin skin is cleoed to the bottom fuselage the friction in the torque tube wouldn't increase. I see you have some sort of cross member in the front of the bulkhead toward the bottom, holding the rudder cable. I bet you that also stiffens the side skins also. Anyway, I am not implying all this is needed (except for the front strut) but in my case the addition of the top caused enough deformation to cause slight binding which I didn't want. The addition of the ribs or struts in my case was to return the bottom aft fuselage section to the shape it had when I bonded the bearings. Again, seems to work. Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483580#483580 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:51 PM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Instrument Panel >>Does anyone know a way of identifying how to test the asi or effectively identifying the old pipes still in place to figure out which is the static and which is the pitot without damaging the instruments ?<< I successfully used a low volume syringe connected to each line to check which is which and consistance of deflection on more than one instrument. Be careful and use a low volume syringe. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 3 Oct 2018, at 21:27, Eoin Maguire wrote: > > Does anyone know a way of identifying how to test the asi or effectively identifying the old pipes still in place to figure out which is the static and which is the pitot without damaging the instruments ? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Instrument Panel From: david park My advise would be to get a dremel and cut the panel out and replace with re movable panels available from Europa!!!! The three panels pull fwd for access to instruments etc leave sufficient ori ginal panel round the edge to install fixed nuts. Regards Dave Park > On 3 Oct 2018, at 21:27, Eoin Maguire wrote: > > > Cheers Jonathan > > Maybe the group might have a better solution to my problem so to save me w hat=99s sounds like a horrendous job. > > Long story short I bought the aircraft at the start of the year and have b een working through a few tech issues before getting the aircraft permitted i n Ireland. > > The aircraft has both a standard asi and dynon d10 neither of which regist ered an airspeed during the flight. On stripping down of the route of the pi tot/static plumbing I found multiple kinks and badly made connections so rep lumbed from pitot/static port under wing right into the cockpit. Under the d ash the original pipes connected into a 5 pin festo connector which I=99 m assuming is used to split to feeds to the dynon and standard asi. > > Does anyone know a way of identifying how to test the asi or effectively i dentifying the old pipes still in place to figure out which is the static an d which is the pitot without damaging the instruments ? > > Kind Regards > Eoin > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 3 Oct 2018, at 19:50, JonathanMilbank wrote: >> uk> >> >> Eoin, I hope you're small-built like me. This is just about the worst job that I've ever had to do, including the removal of engine and gearbox from a n original little Morris Mini car. In fact it's worse than that because if y our panel doesn't have the removable facia described by Mike, then you're go ing to be "in a world of pain"! >> >> The "binnacle" or console is attached to the firewall by screws inserted f rom the engine bay side, except for a few which are inserted from the cockpi t side above the parcel shelf. Every time (6 times or so in 21 years) that I 've done the ghastly job, I swear that the next time I won't replace it unti l I've modified the console with removable facia. But then I look at what's i nvolved, chicken out and reinstall it telling myself that it'll never need t o come out again. Idiot! >> >> I recommend that you save yourself the frightful task of having to rub aw ay scratches from the inside of the windscreen by first making a thick-ish c ardboard sheet, shaped to fit inside the screen and tape it with masking tap e to the surrounding framework and/or upholstery. This is a top tip, believe me! Another top tip is to remove the two control sticks from their sockets a nd then lay cushions ( I use my seat cushions ) into the well so that they p rovide at least some protection for your back. >> >>> =46rom here on in, you're on your own. Each time that I've done it I sli de myself head-long down to the rudder pedals and lie face upwards. You'll p robably need first to have removed whatever you can which projects up from t he central tunnel and/or to have padded it to protect the under side of the c onsole as you slide it out. A good light is a must! >> >> YOU WILL DEFINITELY NEED ANOTHER PAIR OF HANDS TO HELP YOU AT VARIOUS STA GES AND I SUGGEST THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BELONG TO YOUR WIFE. BAD LANGUAGE WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY FLOW PROFUSELY! >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483566#483566 > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:32 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Appeal to European Europa owners, aviation Garmin question From: "Richard Lamprey" Dear Roland, thanks so much, and my apologies for the slow reply, I have been on wildlife survey in southwestern Uganda ( a place with no internet); sadly not in my Europa but in a 51-year old Cessna 182! Your information is very useful. I am quite surprised that none of your units show large deviation from an Ordinance survey MSL datum, given that the deviation of WGS84 spheroid from MSL is highest in northern Europe (about 70 m). I suspect there might be a geoid correction in there somewhere, or possibly a barometric correction (certainly for the Dakota). If you get to a beach sometime, that would be interesting! 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