---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/28/18: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:26 AM - Aileron closeout reinforcement question (n7188u) 2. 12:38 PM - Re: Aileron closeout reinforcement question (William Daniell) 3. 01:17 PM - Re: Aileron closeout reinforcement question (n7188u) 4. 01:22 PM - Wing tie down anchors (n7188u) 5. 01:52 PM - Re: Wing tie down anchors (Alan Burrill) 6. 02:05 PM - Re: Wing tie down anchors (Tim Ward) 7. 02:58 PM - Re: Wing tie down anchors (n7188u) 8. 03:39 PM - Securing the aircraft (William Daniell) 9. 03:58 PM - Re: Securing the aircraft (Tim Ward) 10. 06:12 PM - Re: Securing the aircraft (Pete) 11. 07:11 PM - Re: Securing the aircraft (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Aileron closeout reinforcement question From: "n7188u" Dear Europa forum members, I am getting ready to reinforce the aileron closeouts on the wings (chapter 8). Figure 8 of this chapters says to apply the reinforcement full length but not to flox the aileron balance areas. The question is: is the BID reinforcement applied also over the balance areas or not? The indication not to use flox would point to not reinforcing the balance areas and the reference to full length is just indicating the reinforcement is along the entire closeout (but not on the balance areas). is my understanding correct? Thanks, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=485845#485845 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:33 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron closeout reinforcement question Chris, For what its worth i reinforced the whole closeout including joint between the aileron balance boxes and the lower surface of the wing. I used flox on all the sharp corners. Dont go over the upper side of the aileron balance boxes otherwise you'll have difficulty with putting the top skin on will William Daniell XS 912 turbo airmaster Dynon Skyview with 100 Flight +57 310 295 0744 On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 1:28 PM n7188u wrote: > > Dear Europa forum members, > > I am getting ready to reinforce the aileron closeouts on the wings > (chapter 8). Figure 8 of this chapters says to apply the reinforcement full > length but not to flox the aileron balance areas. The question is: is the > BID reinforcement applied also over the balance areas or not? The > indication not to use flox would point to not reinforcing the balance areas > and the reference to full length is just indicating the reinforcement is > along the entire closeout (but not on the balance areas). > > is my understanding correct? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=485845#485845 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:37 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Aileron closeout reinforcement question From: "n7188u" Thanks for the info Will. I guess the only disadvantage of placing the reinforcement over the thin skin where the balance boxes go is them getting pushed up and interfering with the upper skin (as you mentioned). Let's see what other people say. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=485849#485849 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:03 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Wing tie down anchors From: "n7188u" Dear Europa forum members, As I approach the point of closing the wing, I wanted to ask the group how do you tie down the wings if you don't have the tie down anchor mod. I have them but I am debating whether to install them. Yes, they are probably very nice, but they are heavy and I am trying to keep my airplane as light as possible. If there is a decent alternative to tie down the wings that doesn't involve using these anchors I will not install them in the interest of weight saving (and a little less work). I guess one way is to tie the wings down is through the outrigger hinge mechanism but I am afraid that gusty winds could cause damage to the mechanism. Regards, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=485850#485850 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:21 PM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing tie down anchors I tie down at the undercarriage frame and tail. Aeroplane isnt going anywhere and they dont add weight as well as been strong points. Alan GOBJT Sent from my iPad > On 28 Nov 2018, at 21:21, n7188u wrote: > > > Dear Europa forum members, > > As I approach the point of closing the wing, I wanted to ask the group how do you tie down the wings if you don't have the tie down anchor mod. > > I have them but I am debating whether to install them. Yes, they are probably very nice, but they are heavy and I am trying to keep my airplane as light as possible. > > If there is a decent alternative to tie down the wings that doesn't involve using these anchors I will not install them in the interest of weight saving (and a little less work). I guess one way is to tie the wings down is through the outrigger hinge mechanism but I am afraid that gusty winds could cause damage to the mechanism. > > Regards, > Chris > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=485850#485850 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing tie down anchors From: Tim Ward Chris, In all honesty they are not needed. The main two points to tie down are the tailwheel and main wheel which are easy to do. The wing wont lift too far due to the outriggers on the other side. I just put two ground pegs either side of the main wheel and tail wheel and link them with a tie down around each respective wheel. Holding the main wheel down is, in my opinion, most important. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand ward.t@xtra.co.nz Mob +64 210640221 > On 29/11/2018, at 10:21 AM, n7188u wrote: > > > Dear Europa forum members, > > As I approach the point of closing the wing, I wanted to ask the group how do you tie down the wings if you don't have the tie down anchor mod. > > I have them but I am debating whether to install them. Yes, they are probably very nice, but they are heavy and I am trying to keep my airplane as light as possible. > > If there is a decent alternative to tie down the wings that doesn't involve using these anchors I will not install them in the interest of weight saving (and a little less work). I guess one way is to tie the wings down is through the outrigger hinge mechanism but I am afraid that gusty winds could cause damage to the mechanism. > > Regards, > Chris > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=485850#485850 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:06 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing tie down anchors From: "n7188u" Sounds reasonable. Will do. A little less work and a little less weight :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=485854#485854 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:31 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Europa-List: Securing the aircraft Has anyone got a clever solution for securing the aircraft doors - for example in a strange airport overnight? thanks Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Securing the aircraft From: Tim Ward Hi Will, Although I did put door locks in place, I came to the conclusion that if som eone wanted to break in, they would do more damage to the aircraft as compar ed to what they may take. I always take my EUROPA Cover with me and use it a s a deterrent and to keep the weather out. Always remove my headsets and any thing else of value. The locking device I used was flimsy and not strong enough as a deterrent an d would leave me stranded if broken into with door not closing. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand ward.t@xtra.co.nz Mob +64 210640221 > On 29/11/2018, at 12:38 PM, William Daniell w rote: > > Has anyone got a clever solution for securing the aircraft doors - for exa mple in a strange airport overnight? > thanks > Will > William Daniell > LONGPORT > +57 310 295 0744 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Securing the aircraft From: Pete I think the only semi effective lock would be one which uncouples the latch h andles from the shoot bolts. I've not yet found such a solution but keep loo king. Mine might end up being self-designed. Cheers, Pete > On Nov 28, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Tim Ward wrote: > > Hi Will, > Although I did put door locks in place, I came to the conclusion that if s omeone wanted to break in, they would do more damage to the aircraft as comp ared to what they may take. I always take my EUROPA Cover with me and use it as a deterrent and to keep the weather out. Always remove my headsets and a nything else of value. > The locking device I used was flimsy and not strong enough as a deterrent a nd would leave me stranded if broken into with door not closing. > > Cheers, > Tim > > Tim Ward > 12 Waiwetu Street, > Fendalton, > Christchurch, 8052 > New Zealand > > ward.t@xtra.co.nz > > Mob +64 210640221 > > >> On 29/11/2018, at 12:38 PM, William Daniell wrote: >> >> Has anyone got a clever solution for securing the aircraft doors - for ex ample in a strange airport overnight? >> thanks >> Will >> William Daniell >> LONGPORT >> +57 310 295 0744 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:32 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: Re: Europa-List: Securing the aircraft Door locks and photos were presented some time ago by me and others. Check the archives. Bud Yerly Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of William Daniell Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 6:38:34 PM Subject: Europa-List: Securing the aircraft Has anyone got a clever solution for securing the aircraft doors - for exam ple in a strange airport overnight? thanks Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.