---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/19/18: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:25 AM - Re: Copper State (h&jeuropa) 2. 09:35 AM - 2018 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle) 3. 10:23 AM - Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? (Simon) 4. 10:32 AM - Re: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? (Fred Klein) 5. 11:41 AM - Re: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? (Simon) 6. 12:58 PM - Re: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? (GTH) 7. 10:07 PM - Re: Europa Club Safety Advice: Cracked U/C Frame (Rick Moss) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:30 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Copper State From: "h&jeuropa" Just to add a little more information for Rick. The date of the fly-in is Feb 8-9-10. It will be held at Buckeye Municipal Airport (KBXK) which is just west of Phoenix. The complete announcement is here: https://www.copperstate.org/ We hope many of you go and have a great time. Jim & Heather Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486363#486363 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:14 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: 2018 List of Contributors Dear Listers, The 2018 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of weeks ago and it's time that I published this year's List of Contributors. It is the people on this list that directly make these Email Lists and Forums possible! Their generous Contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running! You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 And finally, I'm proud to present The 2018 Fund Raiser List of Contributors: http://www.matronics.com/loc Thank you again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:21 AM PST US From: Simon Subject: Europa-List: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? Dear builders - former and current, I'm currently in the process of finding a suitable place to build. I've been offered a couple of rooms that could be turned into a work shop in a building around the corner. But the big drawback: The widest opening is a 130cm x 130cm (51'' x 51'') large window. Will this be of use to complete at least some of the building stages? I thought about building the fuselage and moving it outside for engine installation. It's a mono-wheel. The fuselage width is stated as 1.12m. So this should be OK. The hight is stated as 1.59m, but this is main-wheel to top of the vertical stabilizer. It should be less when measured from the tail-wheel. Plus, the fuselage could be rolled 45 when moving the tail through the window. With plenty of help, of course. Is this feasible or should I walk away from this offer? Did you work shops have similar limitations? All the best, Simon ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? From: Fred Klein Is the wall which this opening is located within constructed of wood or masonry? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2018, at 10:22 AM, Simon wrote: > > > Dear builders - former and current, > > I'm currently in the process of finding a suitable place to build. I've > been offered a couple of rooms that could be turned into a work shop in > a building around the corner. But the big drawback: The widest opening > is a 130cm x 130cm (51'' x 51'') large window. Will this be of use to > complete at least some of the building stages? I thought about building > the fuselage and moving it outside for engine installation. > > It's a mono-wheel. The fuselage width is stated as 1.12m. So this should > be OK. The hight is stated as 1.59m, but this is main-wheel to top of > the vertical stabilizer. It should be less when measured from the > tail-wheel. Plus, the fuselage could be rolled 45 when moving the tail > through the window. With plenty of help, of course. > > Is this feasible or should I walk away from this offer? Did you work > shops have similar limitations? > > All the best, > Simon > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? From: Simon Am 19.12.18 um 19:32 schrieb Fred Klein: > Is the wall which this opening is located within constructed of wood or masonry? It's masonry. I think the owner would disapprove if I tried to make it larger. Simon ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? From: GTH Le 19/12/2018 19:22, Simon a crit: > But the big drawback: The widest opening > is a 130cm x 130cm (51'' x 51'') large window. Will this be of use to > complete at least some of the building stages? I thought about building > the fuselage and moving it outside for engine installation. > > It's a mono-wheel. The fuselage width is stated as 1.12m. So this should > be OK. The hight is stated as 1.59m, but this is main-wheel to top of > the vertical stabilizer. It should be less when measured from the > tail-wheel. Plus, the fuselage could be rolled 45 when moving the tail > through the window. With plenty of help, of course. Hi Simon, That's plenty of room to move the fuselage through a window. It all depends of what level the window is. Ground level would be perfect. Concerning the tail, do you have enough room inside to move the fuselage around so as to insert the tail first ? Or room outside to do the reverse ? Of course, you won't install the wheels before getting the fuse through the window. Why not print a side view of the fuselage at a definite scale and try it on a plan ? I've seen many a fuselage getting through much narrower apertures. -- Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:03 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Club Safety Advice: Cracked U/C Frame From: "Rick Moss" Forgive my ignorance, as a non-builder; the link makes no mention of whether this is applicable to mono or trigear, from which I must interpret that it is applicable to both. Am I therefore correct in assuming that the same frame is fitted to both variants? In which case one must assume that the loads on this frame on a mono are vastly higher than they are on a trigear? 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