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1. 12:35 AM - Re: Europa Club Safety Advice: Cracked U/C Frame (Hitchflight)
2. 12:59 AM - Re: Re: Europa Club Safety Advice: Cracked U/C Frame (Peter Jeffers)
3. 02:28 AM - Re: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? (Simon)
4. 07:29 AM - Re: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? (Fred Klein)
5. 08:18 AM - Re: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? (GTH)
6. 09:04 AM - Re: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? (William Daniell)
7. 09:45 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Building:_Fitting_the_fuselage_through_the_win?= =?utf-8?Q?dow=3F? ()
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Club Safety Advice: Cracked U/C Frame |
Hi Rick
At this time. We do not have enough information to decide.
News on the Europa website and in the Europa Flyer when more emerges.
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486452#486452
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Club Safety Advice: Cracked U/C Frame |
Hi Rick,
Yes I totally agree with your last sentence. The trouble is that at this
time we do not know for sure which aircraft these cracks may occur in.
Please remember that some Tri gears were Mono's when first flown. To answer
another of your questions the offending frame is the same on both mono and
trigear.
Please therefore carry out the checks as requested and submit your answers
to the questionnaire to my email address on The Europa Club web site or
magazine. When we have a reasonable no of answers we will then be able to
decide which a/c are most at risk so that if the LAA/CAA want to issue any
mandatory inspections they will be better informed about which a/c to be
targeted.
Pete Jeffers (LAA Inspector to the Europa Club)
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Sent: 20 December 2018 06:07
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Club Safety Advice: Cracked U/C Frame
Forgive my ignorance, as a non-builder; the link makes no mention of whether
this is applicable to mono or trigear, from which I must interpret that it
is applicable to both. Am I therefore correct in assuming that the same
frame is fitted to both variants? In which case one must assume that the
loads on this frame on a mono are vastly higher than they are on a trigear?
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| Subject: | Re: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? |
Hi Gilles,
Am 19.12.18 um 21:57 schrieb GTH:
> That's plenty of room to move the fuselage through a window.
> It all depends of what level the window is. Ground level would be
> perfect.
Thanks. This sounds encouraging. It is ground level. Sorry, I forgot to
mention.
> Concerning the tail, do you have enough room inside to move the
> fuselage around so as to insert the tail first ?
It is not huge on the inside (4,65m x 5,01m). But without cowling it
should barely fit. There is a second room that belongs to it (2m x
5.18m) to store smaller parts or the wings etc. The ceiling is at ca.
3.30m. I may be able to store parts underneath it when not working on it.
> Or room outside to do the reverse ?
Yes, it is a corner room and both windows have enough room on the
outside. It's a former train station building.
> Of course, you won't install the wheels before getting the fuse
> through the window.
It's a mono wheel. I could imagine that it could even fit with the main
wheel installed. I remeasured the window. It is actually a bit larger
than initially thought. 1,40m x 1,40m.
>
> Why not print a side view of the fuselage at a definite scale and try
> it on a plan ?
> I've seen many a fuselage getting through much narrower apertures.
Good idea. I will try that.
I took photos of the room, if anyone wants to take a look:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/zpurAR6q4TwX3H8C7
Kind regards,
Simon
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| Subject: | Re: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? |
A watchword for building the Europa when working on the fuselage is to delay the
bonding of the top to the canoe for absolutely as long as possible...thus there
is a considerable amount of work which can be done without worrying... and
when thats all finished, youll want to trial fit with clecoes, after which you
can give it a go thru the window...no harm done.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 20, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Simon <sim@4lists.simonliebold.de> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Gilles,
>
>> Am 19.12.18 um 21:57 schrieb GTH:
>> That's plenty of room to move the fuselage through a window.
>> It all depends of what level the window is. Ground level would be
>> perfect.
> Thanks. This sounds encouraging. It is ground level. Sorry, I forgot to
> mention.
>> Concerning the tail, do you have enough room inside to move the
>> fuselage around so as to insert the tail first ?
> It is not huge on the inside (4,65m x 5,01m). But without cowling it
> should barely fit. There is a second room that belongs to it (2m x
> 5.18m) to store smaller parts or the wings etc. The ceiling is at ca.
> 3.30m. I may be able to store parts underneath it when not working on it.
>> Or room outside to do the reverse ?
> Yes, it is a corner room and both windows have enough room on the
> outside. It's a former train station building.
>> Of course, you won't install the wheels before getting the fuse
>> through the window.
> It's a mono wheel. I could imagine that it could even fit with the main
> wheel installed. I remeasured the window. It is actually a bit larger
> than initially thought. 1,40m x 1,40m.
>>
>> Why not print a side view of the fuselage at a definite scale and try
>> it on a plan ?
>> I've seen many a fuselage getting through much narrower apertures.
>
> Good idea. I will try that.
>
> I took photos of the room, if anyone wants to take a look:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zpurAR6q4TwX3H8C7
>
> Kind regards,
> Simon
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? |
Hi Simon,
> It is not huge on the inside (4,65m x 5,01m). But without cowling it
> should barely fit. There is a second room that belongs to it (2m x
> 5.18m) to store smaller parts or the wings etc. The ceiling is at ca.
> 3.30m. I may be able to store parts underneath it when not working on it.
Rooms seem most adequate.
A 3.30 m ceiling is quite interesting.
> It's a mono wheel. I could imagine that it could even fit with the main
> wheel installed.
Maybe you'll be better off with setting up wheels etc. inside, then
removing them to save weight for the delicate maneuver ?
> I remeasured the window. It is actually a bit larger
> than initially thought. 1,40m x 1,40m.
At first thought, the idea would be to turn the fuselage on it's side,
then somehow "thread" the fuselage through the aperture :
All the best,
--
Kind regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Building: Fitting the fuselage through the window? |
Fred makes a very good point.
Make a cradle which holds the bottom half in place from Firewall to tail.
My fuse has a slight twist (one end of the tail is 1cm lower than the
other) which is the result of not supporting the tail
Put absolutely everything in with the top off including all the electrics
and the instrument panel. You could probably get the bottom half out
easier and then glue the top on somewhere else.
Do remember that the canoe is very floppy and can break easily if not
supported.
Will
XS tri 912 Turbo Airmaster Dynon Skyview 100 hours
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 10:31 Fred Klein <freddythek10@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> A watchword for building the Europa when working on the fuselage is to
> delay the bonding of the top to the canoe for absolutely as long as
> possible...thus there is a considerable amount of work which can be done
> without worrying... and when that=99s all finished, you=99ll
want to trial fit
> with clecoes, after which you can give it a go thru the window...no harm
> done.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 20, 2018, at 2:27 AM, Simon <sim@4lists.simonliebold.de> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Gilles,
> >
> >> Am 19.12.18 um 21:57 schrieb GTH:
> >> That's plenty of room to move the fuselage through a window.
> >> It all depends of what level the window is. Ground level would be
> >> perfect.
> > Thanks. This sounds encouraging. It is ground level. Sorry, I forgot to
> > mention.
> >> Concerning the tail, do you have enough room inside to move the
> >> fuselage around so as to insert the tail first ?
> > It is not huge on the inside (4,65m x 5,01m). But without cowling it
> > should barely fit. There is a second room that belongs to it (2m x
> > 5.18m) to store smaller parts or the wings etc. The ceiling is at ca.
> > 3.30m. I may be able to store parts underneath it when not working on
> it.
> >> Or room outside to do the reverse ?
> > Yes, it is a corner room and both windows have enough room on the
> > outside. It's a former train station building.
> >> Of course, you won't install the wheels before getting the fuse
> >> through the window.
> > It's a mono wheel. I could imagine that it could even fit with the main
> > wheel installed. I remeasured the window. It is actually a bit larger
> > than initially thought. 1,40m x 1,40m.
> >>
> >> Why not print a side view of the fuselage at a definite scale and try
> >> it on a plan ?
> >> I've seen many a fuselage getting through much narrower apertures.
> >
> > Good idea. I will try that.
> >
> > I took photos of the room, if anyone wants to take a look:
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/zpurAR6q4TwX3H8C7
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Simon
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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