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1. 12:40 AM - Re: gap between the wing fairings and the fuselage (Remi Guerner)
2. 01:38 AM - Re: Re: gap between the wing fairings and the fuselage (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
3. 06:36 AM - Re: Re: gap between the wing fairings and the fuselage (Peter Jeffers)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 (willydewey)
5. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: gap between the wing fairings and the fuselage (Bud Yerly)
6. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: gap between the wing fairings and the fuselage (Peter Timm)
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| Subject: | Re: gap between the wing fairings and the fuselage |
Bob, I tried the same very expensive clear Bowlus tape for sealing those gaps last
summer. This was very disappointing as there were no measurable speed gain,
it looked ugly and the tape started to get disbonded and flapped in the breeze
after a few weeks. I believe the problem comes from the gaps which move back
and forth with the flexing of the wings. It seems to me that the Bowlus tape
is too thick to handle the stress caused by this flexing. May be a thinner and
therefore more flexible tape would do it better?
Remi
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| Subject: | Re: gap between the wing fairings and the fuselage |
White PVC tape has always done it for me (& most glider pilots) and I
guess it boils down to having a clean surface not covered with non stick
polish.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2018-12-30 08:39, Remi Guerner wrote:
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> Bob, I tried the same very expensive clear Bowlus tape for sealing those gaps
last summer. This was very disappointing as there were no measurable speed gain,
it looked ugly and the tape started to get disbonded and flapped in the breeze
after a few weeks. I believe the problem comes from the gaps which move back
and forth with the flexing of the wings. It seems to me that the Bowlus tape
is too thick to handle the stress caused by this flexing. May be a thinner
and therefore more flexible tape would do it better?
> Remi
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| Subject: | Re: gap between the wing fairings and the fuselage |
Hi all,
I find 1"PVC tape works just fine. Stays put for the whole summer
season with no problem. I just clean the adhesion area with water first
but very important to make sure everything is very dry before
application.
Makes very little difference to performance but looks good. PVC tape
stretches to fit 3D shapes quite well if warm.
Pete
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Sent: 30 December 2018 09:37
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: gap between the wing fairings and the
fuselage
White PVC tape has always done it for me (& most glider pilots) and I
guess it boils down to having a clean surface not covered with non stick
polish.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2018-12-30 08:39, Remi Guerner wrote:
<air.guerner@orange.fr>
Bob, I tried the same very expensive clear Bowlus tape for sealing those
gaps last summer. This was very disappointing as there were no
measurable speed gain, it looked ugly and the tape started to get
disbonded and flapped in the breeze after a few weeks. I believe the
problem comes from the gaps which move back and forth with the flexing
of the wings. It seems to me that the Bowlus tape is too thick to handle
the stress caused by this flexing. May be a thinner and therefore more
flexible tape would do it better?
Remi
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Rapids EIS 2000 |
Thanks Guys for your replies all very much appreciated.
With the Christmas and New year Holidays upon us I have not been to the airfield
to carry out the suggested work but hope to do so shortly providing the Beast
from the East does not arrive.
Happy New year to One and All
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| Subject: | Re: gap between the wing fairings and the fuselage |
Same here Remi,
As my painter said, Looks like the ass end of hard times.
If one did not plan for using a gap filing foam tape you are stuck with a w
rinkled sticky mess.
No matter what you use, it tends to be a pain in the neck.
To get the tape to stick I have had to use paint prep cleaner (kind of a na
ptha, GoofOff, degreaser/cleaner) called Prep-Sol 3919 by Axalta or Prep-Al
l by Kleanstrip with a very light duty scuffing pad (a graygreen finishing
pad by 3M/ Scotchbrite) . The cleaning and just a bit of de-glossing of th
e 3000 grit helps the Bowlus 2 inch tape stick on quite well even in our ho
t sun. I only have one client using Bowlus on his motor glider and is not
perfect but looks darned adequate and the new buyer is reasonably happy wit
h it. Of course we haven=92t hit any cold weather yet either.
Happy New Year,
Bud Yerly
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Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 3:39:34 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: gap between the wing fairings and the fuselage
Bob, I tried the same very expensive clear Bowlus tape for sealing those ga
ps last summer. This was very disappointing as there were no measurable spe
ed gain, it looked ugly and the tape started to get disbonded and flapped i
n the breeze after a few weeks. I believe the problem comes from the gaps w
hich move back and forth with the flexing of the wings. It seems to me that
the Bowlus tape is too thick to handle the stress caused by this flexing.
May be a thinner and therefore more flexible tape would do it better?
Remi
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| Subject: | Re: gap between the wing fairings and the fuselage |
Hi Bud,
I have used surgical tape, made by 3M, trade name BLENDERM, for many
years on my gliders and Europa. It lasts for at least one season on a
hangared aircraft. It would not be a good choice, if you have to
disassemble the aircraft frequently. My last box of 12 rolls of 1" by 5
yards was purchased a few? years ago for $ 25.00 Canadian and had to be
brought in by my drug-store. It is semi-transparent and elastic.
My Europa is still for sale, see Peter Timm.blogspot. com. . I will be
90 in a couple of months and am happily flying my Pipistrel Taurus
self-launching glider. My Europa is becoming a hangar-queen.
A Happy New Year to you and the Europa community.
Peter Timm
On 2018-12-30, at 3:21 PM, Bud Yerly wrote:
> Same here Remi,
> As my painter said, Looks like the ass end of hard times.
> If one did not plan for using a gap filing foam tape you are stuck
with a wrinkled sticky mess.
> No matter what you use, it tends to be a pain in the neck.
>
> To get the tape to stick I have had to use paint prep cleaner (kind of
a naptha, GoofOff, degreaser/cleaner) called Prep-Sol 3919 by Axalta or
Prep-All by Kleanstrip with a very light duty scuffing pad (a graygreen
finishing pad by 3M/ Scotchbrite) . The cleaning and just a bit of
de-glossing of the 3000 grit helps the Bowlus 2 inch tape stick on quite
well even in our hot sun. I only have one client using Bowlus on his
motor glider and is not perfect but looks darned adequate and the new
buyer is reasonably happy with it. Of course we haven=92t hit any cold
weather yet either.
>
> Happy New Year,
> Bud Yerly
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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<air.guerner@orange.fr>
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 3:39:34 AM
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> Subject: Europa-List: Re: gap between the wing fairings and the
fuselage
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<air.guerner@orange.fr>
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> Bob, I tried the same very expensive clear Bowlus tape for sealing
those gaps last summer. This was very disappointing as there were no
measurable speed gain, it looked ugly and the tape started to get
disbonded and flapped in the breeze after a few weeks. I believe the
problem comes from the gaps which move back and forth with the flexing
of the wings. It seems to me that the Bowlus tape is too thick to handle
the stress caused by this flexing. May be a thinner and therefore more
flexible tape would do it better?
> Remi
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