---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/07/19: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:37 AM - Re: Mono landing gear frame (MikeP) 2. 08:26 AM - Re: Arplast Propeller problems (BobD) 3. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: Arplast Propeller problems (Alan Burrill) 4. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: Mono landing gear frame (Peter Timm) 5. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Arplast Propeller problems (Pete Lawless) 6. 11:26 AM - Re: Arplast Propeller problems (Matt Dovey) 7. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: Arplast Propeller problems (Peter Zutrauen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:02 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mono landing gear frame From: "MikeP" Thanks Alan I am looking for LG01. regards Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486790#486790 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:47 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Arplast Propeller problems From: "BobD" I had a problem with my PV-50 Propeller and CSC-1 Controller yesterday, and whilst researching it on the forum, came across the posts below, which are the nearest to the problem I experienced. My Europa has approx 60 hours on the Prop, but the Prop was purchased many years ago (don't know the exact date but judging from the documentation probably not long after 2000). It has been performing as expected since installation. After take-off, and switching from TKO to CLM Mode, I noticed that the engine RPM remained near maximum, and looking at the reading on the CSC-1, it was displaying 40%. I tried changing to MAN mode but couldn't increase or decrease the Pitch. I throttled back to reduce the RPM, but this impeded my ability to climb. As it was a short flight, and I could maintain height, albeit at a slower speed than I normally fly, I continued at low level to my destination. Once I landed, (and at reduced RPM i.e 2500) the Pitch Controller functioned again through the full range. 90 minutes later the Prop and Controller functioned through the full range in my pre-flight checks, but exactly the same thing happened following climb out, and all the way back home. I did notice a small change in the CSC-1 Pitch readout the closer I got to home, but can't recall if this was as I throttled back in the approach. Back on terra firma, the Prop again functioned through the full range. So it would seem the Pitch will alter at pre-flight RPM (2500-400), but not at 5000+ I didn't have time on my return to inspect the electric motor assembly, but plan to do this in the next day or so. Apart from cleaning and re-greasing the worm assembly, and checking again the full range of movement, has anyone any further suggestions, or potential explanations as to why this could happen ? -------- Bob Dawson Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || SmartAss3 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486794#486794 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:07 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Arplast Propeller problems My first thought would be to check the Brushes for wear, cracks, length and broken wires. > On 7 Jan 2019, at 16:26, BobD wrote: > > > I had a problem with my PV-50 Propeller and CSC-1 Controller yesterday, and whilst researching it on the forum, came across the posts below, which are the nearest to the problem I experienced. My Europa has approx 60 hours on the Prop, but the Prop was purchased many years ago (don't know the exact date but judging from the documentation probably not long after 2000). It has been performing as expected since installation. > > After take-off, and switching from TKO to CLM Mode, I noticed that the engine RPM remained near maximum, and looking at the reading on the CSC-1, it was displaying 40%. I tried changing to MAN mode but couldn't increase or decrease the Pitch. I throttled back to reduce the RPM, but this impeded my ability to climb. As it was a short flight, and I could maintain height, albeit at a slower speed than I normally fly, I continued at low level to my destination. Once I landed, (and at reduced RPM i.e 2500) the Pitch Controller functioned again through the full range. > > 90 minutes later the Prop and Controller functioned through the full range in my pre-flight checks, but exactly the same thing happened following climb out, and all the way back home. I did notice a small change in the CSC-1 Pitch readout the closer I got to home, but can't recall if this was as I throttled back in the approach. Back on terra firma, the Prop again functioned through the full range. > > So it would seem the Pitch will alter at pre-flight RPM (2500-400), but not at 5000+ > > I didn't have time on my return to inspect the electric motor assembly, but plan to do this in the next day or so. Apart from cleaning and re-greasing the worm assembly, and checking again the full range of movement, has anyone any further suggestions, or potential explanations as to why this could happen ? > > -------- > Bob Dawson > Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || SmartAss3 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486794#486794 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:02 AM PST US From: Peter Timm Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Mono landing gear frame Hi Mike, I have a whole landing gear assembly, that I bought many years ago from a U.S. builder, who was converting to a tri-gear . Get in touch, if you are really stuck. Shipping would probably be expensive, as I am located North of Vancouver, B.C. Canada. My Europa is still for sale and can be viewed on my blogsite: Peter Timm. blogspot. ca Regards Peter Timm On 2019-01-07, at 2:36 AM, MikeP wrote: > > Thanks Alan > I am looking for LG01. > > regards > Mike > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486790#486790 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Arplast Propeller problems From: Pete Lawless Hi This is hearsay as I have never owned an Arplast but know a couple people who have. I seem to remember that there can be a problem with corrosion at the end of the long rod contact that runs though the centre of the hub to the propeller. Good luck. Pete G-RMAC Classic #109 On 07/01/2019 17:11, Alan Burrill wrote: > > My first thought would be to check the Brushes for wear, cracks, length and broken wires. > >> On 7 Jan 2019, at 16:26, BobD wrote: >> >> >> I had a problem with my PV-50 Propeller and CSC-1 Controller yesterday, and whilst researching it on the forum, came across the posts below, which are the nearest to the problem I experienced. My Europa has approx 60 hours on the Prop, but the Prop was purchased many years ago (don't know the exact date but judging from the documentation probably not long after 2000). It has been performing as expected since installation. >> >> After take-off, and switching from TKO to CLM Mode, I noticed that the engine RPM remained near maximum, and looking at the reading on the CSC-1, it was displaying 40%. I tried changing to MAN mode but couldn't increase or decrease the Pitch. I throttled back to reduce the RPM, but this impeded my ability to climb. As it was a short flight, and I could maintain height, albeit at a slower speed than I normally fly, I continued at low level to my destination. Once I landed, (and at reduced RPM i.e 2500) the Pitch Controller functioned again through the full range. >> >> 90 minutes later the Prop and Controller functioned through the full range in my pre-flight checks, but exactly the same thing happened following climb out, and all the way back home. I did notice a small change in the CSC-1 Pitch readout the closer I got to home, but can't recall if this was as I throttled back in the approach. Back on terra firma, the Prop again functioned through the full range. >> >> So it would seem the Pitch will alter at pre-flight RPM (2500-400), but not at 5000+ >> >> I didn't have time on my return to inspect the electric motor assembly, but plan to do this in the next day or so. Apart from cleaning and re-greasing the worm assembly, and checking again the full range of movement, has anyone any further suggestions, or potential explanations as to why this could happen ? >> >> -------- >> Bob Dawson >> Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || SmartAss3 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486794#486794 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:33 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Arplast Propeller problems From: "Matt Dovey" I have a Arplast VP50 inflight adjustable. I had the same problem. I changes batteries. Checked voltages, etc. In the end I had to replace the motor and the gearbox. Once replaced no problem. The operation manual says not to operate without the engine running. The motor is not designed to operate without the airloads on the propeller "The propeller is designed to work whilst running. If the pitch is regularly changed whilst the propeller is stationary undue stress will be placed on the electrical and mechanical control systems. We do not recommend the propeller is run from limit to limit unnecessarily as this shortens the motor life e.g. before flight. DO NOT CYCLE TO PRE-FLIGHT TEST" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486803#486803 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:47 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Arplast Propeller problems wow.... that really doesn't sound very robust. -Pete A239 On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 2:33 PM Matt Dovey wrote: > > I have a Arplast VP50 inflight adjustable. I had the same problem. I > changes batteries. Checked voltages, etc. In the end I had to replace the > motor and the gearbox. Once replaced no problem. > The operation manual says not to operate without the engine running. The > motor is not designed to operate without the airloads on the propeller "The > propeller is designed to work whilst running. If the pitch is regularly > changed whilst the propeller is > stationary undue stress will be placed on the electrical and mechanical > control systems. We do not > recommend the propeller is run from limit to limit unnecessarily as this > shortens the motor life e.g. > before flight. DO NOT CYCLE TO PRE-FLIGHT TEST" > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486803#486803 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.