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5. 02:17 PM - Re: Pierburg fuel pump 7.2097155 (Pete Lawless)
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| Subject: | Pierburg fuel pump 7.2097155 |
Pete,
I had the same issue with the new fuel pump. I took Creighton Smith=92s Ra
diator to my welder and moved the hose fitting to clear.
New fuel pump interference:
[cid:image002.jpg@01D4ACB8.09462960]
Looking back that was the easiest/cheapest fix since research gave me no ot
her options at the time. The fuel pumps I could modify with were $360 US
and the welding was $50 (see below).
[cid:image006.jpg@01D4ACB8.09462960]
Flygas has created a mechanical pump that fits on the rotor for the 914 and
912iS. 3bar is too much for the normal 912 and 912S.
Corbi Aircraft also has a billet pump which is usable for the 912 and 912S.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 12:33 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Pierburg fuel pump 7.2097155
Hi All
A flashing fuel pressure light, probably caused by a failing pressure
sensor, got me thinking about a spare fuel pump for the 912ul in my Classic
.
I believe the new Rotax pump with the drain will not fit in the Classic
as it touches the radiator. I looked on the Ruddies-Berlin website but
they do not seem to offer the 7.2097155 anymore.
Any ideas where I might find one UK or Europe or is there an alternative
pump that will fit the Classic layout?
Thanks
Pete
G-RMAC Classic #109
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| Subject: | Performance of 80HP compared to 100HP Rotax |
Graeme,
I would keep the 80HP. But as others have commented, it does need a consta
nt speed. We did this on Creighton Smith=92s 96EG and it transformed the a
ircraft. Airmaster AP332 with Warp Drive tapered (because the other blades
are too aggressive for the 80 horse). Cruise and climb improved of course
, but takeoff is now with authority and there is less residual thrust in th
e flare shortening the float distance.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Performance of 80HP compared to 100HP Rotax
Graeme
I totally agree with Kingsley's appraisal. AC has the standard 912 UL
with a CAP 140 variable pitch prop. This allows me to get 5,600 rpm at
start of roll, so getting as much power as possible out of the engine.
Acceleration and climb out are no problem. The only time I would like
more power is at max weight (1,300 lbs) on a hot, cross windy day, we
then get a closer look at the far hedge that I like. Initial climb when
clean is around 800 to 1,000 fpm. Cruise is 120 kts at 14 to 15 litres
per hour, depending on weight. You can wind it up to 130 but the fuel
consumption increases.
Just worth checking I seem to remember that when the weight increase mod
to 1,370 lbs was introduced that the PFA would only approve it with an
80 hp engine if using a variable pitch prop.
Pete
G-RMAC Classic mono #109
On 12/01/2019 23:49, Kingsley Hurst wrote:
> <kingsnjan@westnet.com.au>
>
> Hello Graeme,
>
> I have a Mono Classic with the 912 80HP engine with 3 tapered Warp
> Drive blades and an Airmaster CS hub.
>
> Whilst I cannot directly compare the 80 HP 912 to the 100HP 912S, I
> can say that I (along with others) am amazed how well it performs.
> The only thing that would make me consider replacing it with the 100HP
> engine is that part of flight between lift off and 90 kts. I am
> perfectly happy with the ground run but after lift off in the high
> drag configuration (flaps and gear down), 60 kts is about all I can
> get. I therefore progressively start raising the gear/flaps very soon
> after lift off and put them fully away at 60 kts. Climb rate at this
> time is minimal as it fairly slowly accelerates. At 80 kts it starts
> to climb quite nicely but by then I am well past the end of our 700m
> strip. (Exacerbating this situation is the fact that we almost always
> have a cross wind) I like to climb at 90 kts IAS and at AUW of 621
> kg, I am astounded how well it climbs to altitude averaging around 500
> fpm and sometimes more to 8,000 ft etc.
>
> A mate of mine had a tri gear with the 80 HP engine and a fixed pitch
> wooden propeller. It couldn't look at mine performance wise. I'm
> therefore of the opinion a CS prop is a necessity with the 80 HP
> especially in the hot conditions we have to endure over here.
>
> I suppose this has told you very little Graeme but I wouldn't go to
> the expense of purchasing a 912S without first trying the 912 you were
> supplied. If need be, swapping them over is a very simple exercise
> once you have forked out the $$$=A3=A3=A3!!
>
> Best regards
>
> Kingsley in Oz
>
>
> On 12.01.19 8:57 pm, graeme bird wrote:-
>> I received an unused 80HP 912 with my recent part built kit with a
>> thin three blade warp drive; my own Europa is a 100HP 912ULS, can
>> anyone comment on what difference in performance I might expect. I
>> recall on my previous plane, a C42, the 80HP was less violent and
>> more economical with marginal difference in performance but that
>> might have been because it was cloth and draggy.
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fire proof barrier with Jabiru Engine |
I totally agree Nigel,
It is just added insurance against cracking.
Dave Conrad and I just finished his. Reaming the lower tube requires an ex
tension on the reamer. Dave bought a hand reamer square end so we could fi
t it to a =BD inch extension and drive it with a drill. Dave elected to st
op at the bolts. I think I would remove the bolt and drill the insert as w
ell in the future.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fire proof barrier with Jabiru Engine
.uk>
My personal opinion is =9Cyes=9D. The reinforcing tubes supplie
d by the factory as part of the Mod 72 kit were about 100mm (4.0=9D)
long as I remember. This was intended to span the area known to fail on the
top two tubes.
The latest spate of failures is occurring further inboard on the lower tube
s. For anyone with a pre 2007 frame, I would suggest reinforcing all four l
anding gear mounting tubes for their full length. After January 2007, the f
actory produced the LG01 frame with thicker walled top tubes, so in this ca
se, only the lower tubes would need reinforcing.
I am currently overhauling a mono and am actually in the process of writin
g up this mod to gain approval from our own regulating authority.
I notice that you fly a conventional gear. Since the landing load paths are
completely different, I would think that you are highly unlikely to suffer
from fractured lower tubes, so this discussion is probably academic in you
r case.
Nigel
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| Subject: | Re: Fire proof barrier with Jabiru Engine |
Bud,
By any chance, do you know the wall thickness of those lower tube stubs?
Fred
> On Jan 15, 2019, at 7:05 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com
<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>> wrote:
>
> I totally agree Nigel,
> It is just added insurance against cracking.
>
> Dave Conrad and I just finished his. Reaming the lower tube requires
an extension on the reamer. Dave bought a hand reamer square end so we
could fit it to a =C2=BD inch extension and drive it with a drill. Dave
elected to stop at the bolts. I think I would remove the bolt and drill
the insert as well in the future.
>
> Regards,
> Bud Yerly
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pierburg fuel pump 7.2097155 |
Hi Bud
Interesting. Even with the moved rad pipe that is very close!
I was hoping some one would know of a compatible replacement. Will
investigate your suggestions although I have kindly been supplied with
an original pump here in the UK.
Wish we knew what sort of car it was originally fitted to, probably some
type of Opal.
Regards
Pete
On 15/01/2019 14:52, Bud Yerly wrote:
>
> Pete,
>
> I had the same issue with the new fuel pump. I took Creighton Smiths
> Radiator to my welder and moved the hose fitting to clear.
>
> New fuel pump interference:
>
> Looking back that was the easiest/cheapest fix since research gave me
> no other options at the time. The fuel pumps I could modify with were
> $360 US and the welding was $50 (see below).
>
> Flygas has created a mechanical pump that fits on the rotor for the
> 914 and 912iS. 3bar is too much for the normal 912 and 912S.
>
> Corbi Aircraft also has a billet pump which is usable for the 912 and
> 912S.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bud Yerly
>
> Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
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> *Sent: *Thursday, January 10, 2019 12:33 PM
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> *Subject: *Europa-List: Pierburg fuel pump 7.2097155
>
>
> Hi All
>
> A flashing fuel pressure light, probably caused by a failing pressure
> sensor, got me thinking about a spare fuel pump for the 912ul in my
> Classic.
>
> I believe the new Rotax pump with the drain will not fit in the Classic
> as it touches the radiator. I looked on the Ruddies-Berlin website but
> they do not seem to offer the 7.2097155 anymore.
>
> Any ideas where I might find one UK or Europe or is there an alternative
> pump that will fit the Classic layout?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pete
>
> G-RMAC Classic #109
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fire proof barrier with Jabiru Engine |
The wall on the early frames is .049.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 4:44:27 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fire proof barrier with Jabiru Engine
Bud,
By any chance, do you know the wall thickness of those lower tube stubs?
Fred
On Jan 15, 2019, at 7:05 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@ms
n.com>> wrote:
I totally agree Nigel,
It is just added insurance against cracking.
Dave Conrad and I just finished his. Reaming the lower tube requires an ex
tension on the reamer. Dave bought a hand reamer square end so we could fi
t it to a =BD inch extension and drive it with a drill. Dave elected to st
op at the bolts. I think I would remove the bolt and drill the insert as w
ell in the future.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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| Subject: | Re: Pierburg fuel pump 7.2097155 |
You bet.
You would think in this day and age you would be able to in put apart numbe
r and get all the info.
Bud
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:09:18 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pierburg fuel pump 7.2097155
Hi Bud
Interesting. Even with the moved rad pipe that is very close!
I was hoping some one would know of a compatible replacement. Will investig
ate your suggestions although I have kindly been supplied with an original
pump here in the UK.
Wish we knew what sort of car it was originally fitted to, probably some ty
pe of Opal.
Regards
Pete
On 15/01/2019 14:52, Bud Yerly wrote:
Pete,
I had the same issue with the new fuel pump. I took Creighton Smith=92s Ra
diator to my welder and moved the hose fitting to clear.
New fuel pump interference:
[cid:part1.AC4CDF6E.DDDAED84@lawless.info]
Looking back that was the easiest/cheapest fix since research gave me no ot
her options at the time. The fuel pumps I could modify with were $360 US
and the welding was $50 (see below).
[cid:part2.EABDE25A.447D636F@lawless.info]
Flygas has created a mechanical pump that fits on the rotor for the 914 and
912iS. 3bar is too much for the normal 912 and 912S.
Corbi Aircraft also has a billet pump which is usable for the 912 and 912S.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
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From: Pete Lawless<mailto:pete@lawless.info>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 12:33 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Pierburg fuel pump 7.2097155
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Hi All
A flashing fuel pressure light, probably caused by a failing pressure
sensor, got me thinking about a spare fuel pump for the 912ul in my Classic
.
I believe the new Rotax pump with the drain will not fit in the Classic
as it touches the radiator. I looked on the Ruddies-Berlin website but
they do not seem to offer the 7.2097155 anymore.
Any ideas where I might find one UK or Europe or is there an alternative
pump that will fit the Classic layout?
Thanks
Pete
G-RMAC Classic #109
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