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1. 02:46 AM - Anything for sale? (TonyR)
2. 05:21 AM - Re: switch for Flap motor (John Wighton)
3. 05:47 AM - Re: switch for Flap motor (John Wighton)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: switch for Flap motor (Brian Davies)
5. 06:27 AM - Re: Cracked Frames (JonathanMilbank)
6. 06:59 AM - Re: Anything for sale? (Rick Moss)
7. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Cracked Frames (Bud Yerly)
8. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: switch for Flap motor (Bud Yerly)
9. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: switch for Flap motor (Kevin Challis)
10. 08:28 AM - Re: Anything for sale? (TonyR)
11. 11:28 AM - Pitot Static Tubing inside wing (n7188u)
12. 11:55 AM - Re: Anything for sale? (Roland)
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| Subject: | Anything for sale? |
Hi everyone, There's a group of us down in deepest Cornwall who are looking to
purchase either Tri or substantially finished kit, ideally a ULS or 914 engine.
We seem to have had zero luck with this, if anyone has one or knows of one for
sale please do let me know. There's a good home of enthusiasts at Perranporth
waiting for it!
Funds are available and we're motivated to buy. I am a Europa club member.
Thanks
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: switch for Flap motor |
Bob,
Thanks for the input. I have 2 x 3/4in buttons that operate the flaps, up and
down. A 3 position switch will not give me the 3 position control l need (like
a C182).
As l see it l would need a position sensor on the flap drive motor to give the
mid position signal to stop the motor?
My panel may need a blanking plate and new (ideally flap profile) 3 position switch
(see the rather old photo attached).
I have 500+ hours and have so far managed to cope with the buttons, however, an
analysis of 'flight blunders' include many that relate to the flap operation
as-is. If the improvement could be made without huge drama l will make a mod.
But l have seen other Europas with 3 position switches.
Regards
JW
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John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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| Subject: | Re: switch for Flap motor |
I'm in danger of answering my own questions!
As Bob pointed out Aircraft Spruce stock a range of switches. I found this one https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/electronicsflapcontroller.php
Which seems to be ideal for my needs. It does not requires a position pot or sensor
on the flap drive (no extra wiring). It is calibrated (set) via a combination
of push buttons.
It enables 0, mid and full flap positions at a single push. What is even better
is the fact it lits up - hence (potentially) being acceptable for LAA IFR fit.
JW
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John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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| Subject: | Re: switch for Flap motor |
Hi John,
I think you will still need a position sensor to make it work. See
installations instructions attached.
Regards
Brian Davies
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Sent: 21 January 2019 13:47
Subject: Europa-List: Re: switch for Flap motor
I'm in danger of answering my own questions!
As Bob pointed out Aircraft Spruce stock a range of switches. I found this
one
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/electronicsflapcontroller.php
Which seems to be ideal for my needs. It does not requires a position pot
or sensor on the flap drive (no extra wiring). It is calibrated (set) via a
combination of push buttons.
It enables 0, mid and full flap positions at a single push. What is even
better is the fact it lits up - hence (potentially) being acceptable for LAA
IFR fit.
JW
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Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked Frames |
Good afternoon All,
I'm probably one of a group who are waiting to check our undercarriage frames at
annual permit renewal inspection time, which tends to be in the winter or early
spring for obvious reasons. So my aircraft will be presented to my inspector
for assessment some time in February, following a 50 hour service, u/c frame
inspection and dismantlement for the annual.
It's "brass monkey's" in our hangar, so I'm not relishing the process!
ATB. Jonathan
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| Subject: | Re: Anything for sale? |
Hi Tony, if you're the same chap that asked for details of mine via Facebook 7/1/19,
I did send you them... but my message still shows as being unread.
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| Subject: | Re: Cracked Frames |
Fear not Jonathan,
Unless you had a serious ground loop, or off landing surface excursion wher
e there was more than a bent ego and no damage, it is unlikely a low hour E
uropa Mono will have a crack.
I think the higher hour aircraft (500+), those who operate off of very roug
h fields, or perhaps those who cover every square inch of the runway latera
lly in normal ops zig zagging every flight, need to be concerned. It is no
t difficult to do a lower end Mod 72 for insurance on a 5 year hose change
annual. It=92s like the fuel tank issue. Support the tank properly and th
e risk of tank failure decreases dramatically.
Right now every mono owner needs to do an annual check carefully in this ar
ea of the frame. More importantly, any welded mount such as the motor supp
ort frame, landing gear, control pedals, and flight control mechanism must
be checked for cracks in the welds. No weld is completely immune from the
potential of cracking. It happens even to the best of welds.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:26:55 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Cracked Frames
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Good afternoon All,
I'm probably one of a group who are waiting to check our undercarriage fram
es at annual permit renewal inspection time, which tends to be in the winte
r or early spring for obvious reasons. So my aircraft will be presented to
my inspector for assessment some time in February, following a 50 hour serv
ice, u/c frame inspection and dismantlement for the annual.
It's "brass monkey's" in our hangar, so I'm not relishing the process!
ATB. Jonathan
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| Subject: | Re: switch for Flap motor |
Also, if you have a nice round hole already and the toggle switch type is t
he only thing you are complaining about consider this.
With the slow flap driver that has up and down limit switches, you have cho
ices.
ON OFF (ON) is convenient for takeoff situations and those who milk thei
r flaps down.
ON OFF ON is all that is necessary. The Europa Trigear/Conventional fla
p positions frankly only need full up and full down for most flights. =BD
flap for takeoff from a soft field is nice or a bit of flap for a lower tak
eoff attitude is also comfortable. Hence the momentary for the down is fin
e.
>From a maintenance standpoint, if your existing switch is a spade or screw
terminal, just prewire the crisscross, pull the old, unscrew the switch and
replace. It=92s not rocket science. Changing to a rectangular switch or
some sort of custom arrangement is owners choice. It just costs money and
time to do anything you want.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
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Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 2:36:35 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: switch for Flap motor
John,
Since you are operating under the LAA, there should be a suitable mod appro
ved already for this. If not, I guess you are prepared to blaze that trail
yourself.
Here in the USA, I=92d go to B&C Aero to purchase the necessary switch:
https://www.bandc.aero/toggleswitch-doublepole.aspx
The switch you need would be the S700-2-1, top of the list to the right (-1
ON-OFF-ON). You would wire it the same way as the existing (ON)-OFF-(ON)
switch already installed with your build. The biggest problem would be cha
nging from the big rectangular hole of the existing switch to the nice litt
le round hole(s) of the toggle switch.
If you prefer to stay with a rocker switch, McMaster-Carr has them:
https://www.mcmaster.com/electrical-controls
One of these might make the change easier.
There=92s also ACS. They probably have a suitable switch in their stock:
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/el/switches.html
There should be a source for any of these switches in the UK, but I wouldn
=92t know who that might be. Perhaps one of your Europa mates will come to
your rescue.
Lastly, why is it important to fuss so much with the flaps? The Europa is
designed to climb well with the flaps fully extended. If things are a bit
dicy with full flaps, you just take 3-4 seconds to get the flaps to 2/3 and
then the climb has improved dramatically and you can take your time, 3-4 s
econds at a time, to retract the remainder of the flaps.
In any case, there are suitable alternatives to the Europa supplied spring-
loaded-to-off switch.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (130 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP, Hercules Prop
.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
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On Jan 20, 2019, at 3:21 AM, John Wighton <john@wighton.net<mailto:john@wig
hton.net>> wrote:
john@wighton.net>>
I would really like to change my =98hold up or down=99 flap but
tons for a 3 position switch. Retraction or full deployment takes around 12
secs which is way too long to have your hands off the throttle.
Does anybody have information on how to modify the standard arrangement?
Regards
John
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John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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| Subject: | Re: switch for Flap motor |
I have a flap switch up/off/down I have to hold it for up or down. Its never been
a problem in use 700hrs +. Plenty of time to do everything else as well. Its
mounted on the tunnel not the panel so no mix ups in use.
Kevin Challis
G ODJG
> On 21 Jan 2019, at 14:46, John Wighton <john@wighton.net> wrote:
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> I'm in danger of answering my own questions!
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> As Bob pointed out Aircraft Spruce stock a range of switches. I found this one https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/electronicsflapcontroller.php
>
> Which seems to be ideal for my needs. It does not requires a position pot or
sensor on the flap drive (no extra wiring). It is calibrated (set) via a combination
of push buttons.
>
> It enables 0, mid and full flap positions at a single push. What is even better
is the fact it lits up - hence (potentially) being acceptable for LAA IFR
fit.
>
> JW
>
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> John Wighton
> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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| Subject: | Re: Anything for sale? |
Hi Rick, nothing received?
Perhaps you could email me - info@katysboutique.co.uk
One of our group is at Barton in the next week or two....
Tony
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| Subject: | Pitot Static Tubing inside wing |
Hello Europa Group (and Happy New Year),
I am installing the pitot/static head in my wing and noticed I don't have the tubing.
Can anyone provide the type of tubing that was supplied with the kit?
Obviously Tygon is appropriate but knowing the size originally provided would help.
Best Regards and Thanks,
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Anything for sale? |
Hi Tony,
I'm afraid you're too late - I've bought my Europa back in 2011 in Perranporth
;-)
Best of luck!
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI (was G-BZTI)
XS TG 914
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