---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/19/19: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:19 PM - a compass question (Fred Klein) 2. 01:29 PM - Re: a compass question (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 3. 01:39 PM - Re: a compass question (Fred Klein) 4. 02:15 PM - Re: a compass question (Tim Ward) 5. 02:15 PM - Re: a compass question (William Daniell) 6. 04:41 PM - Re: a compass question (Pete) 7. 04:41 PM - Re: a compass question (Fred Klein) 8. 05:41 PM - Re: a compass question (Tim Ward) 9. 08:42 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__a_compass_question? () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:19:06 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: a compass question Along with my Europa kit, I ordered the Navigator compass which was offered as an accessory at the time of purchase. I ask because the mounting procedure offers little slacki.e., no second chance...and I want to get it right the first time. And Im wondering what that "optimum position might be? With only hangar flying experience, my sense is that the best position would be to mount the adhesive pad provided as high as possible on the windscreen, along the aircrafts centerline A different approach would be to rotate the bracket with the mounting pad and adhere it to the top of the instrument panel module, again on the aircraft centerline Or is there, perhaps, another alternative? Have Europa pilots with in-flight experience settled this question?or has the digital world eliminated the need or desirability for whats become a little anachronism? Advice and counsel appreciated, Fred A194 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:03 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: a compass question Fred, Along with most of my friends my compass is at the top of the screen in midline and has worked well. In UK we are still required to have one, but you are right that it is becoming less used/useful than it was with EFIS and GPS offering rather more user friendly options. There is the point of course that the compass will carry on working even if you are clean out of electricity so I wouldn't encourage you to bin it! Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2019-02-19 19:52, Fred Klein wrote: > > Along with my Europa kit, I ordered the "Navigator" compass which was offered as an accessory at the time of purchase. > > I ask because the mounting procedure offers little slack...i.e., no second chance...and I want to get it right the first time. > > And I'm wondering what that "optimum position" might be...?... > > With only "hangar flying" experience, my sense is that the best position would be to mount the adhesive pad provided as high as possible on the windscreen, along the aircraft's centerline... > > A different approach would be to rotate the bracket with the mounting pad and adhere it to the top of the instrument panel module, again on the aircraft centerline... > > Or is there, perhaps, another alternative? > > Have Europa pilots with in-flight experience settled this question?...or has the digital world eliminated the need or desirability for what's become a little anachronism? > > Advice and counsel appreciated, > > Fred > A194 Links: ------ [1] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [2] http://forums.matronics.com [3] http://wiki.matronics.com [4] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:33 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: a compass question thank you David > On Feb 19, 2019, at 1:28 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > > Along with most of my friends my compass is at the top of the screen in midline and has worked well. In UK we are still required to have one, but you are right that it is becoming less used/useful than it was with EFIS and GPS offering rather more user friendly options. There is the point of course that the compass will carry on working even if you are clean out of electricity so I wouldn't encourage you to bin it! > > Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: a compass question From: Tim Ward Hi Fred, I incorporated a compass =98holder=99 within the home made roof c omposite lining as seen in this photo. I designed it around a 747-400 compas s moulding when bored flying over the Pacific years ago. I placed a blue alu minium plate to secure the compass. Great position to read the compass with a compass swing card reading on the s ide. However, I do believe obsolescence has crept in regarding a compass with all the other direction finding instruments of today. We have to have one as an electrical failure is always a risk. All the best, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand ward.t@xtra.co.nz Mob +64 210640221 > On 20/02/2019, at 10:37 AM, Fred Klein wrote: > > thank you David > >> On Feb 19, 2019, at 1:28 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: >> >> Along with most of my friends my compass is at the top of the screen in m idline and has worked well. In UK we are still required to have one, but you are right that it is becoming less used/useful than it was with EFIS and GP S offering rather more user friendly options. There is the point of course t hat the compass will carry on working even if you are clean out of electrici ty so I wouldn't encourage you to bin it! >> >> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ >> > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:22 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: a compass question Fred [image: compass location.jpg] stuck mine on the roof - I reckon that is what david recommends. I assumed that it might be influenced by the electronics if I stuck it on top of the instrument module Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 4:21 PM Fred Klein wrote: > > Along with my Europa kit, I ordered the =9CNavigator=9D compa ss which was > offered as an accessory at the time of purchase. > > I ask because the mounting procedure offers little slacki.e., no second > chance...and I want to get it right the first time. > > And I=99m wondering what that "optimum position=9D might be ? > > With only =9Changar flying=9D experience, my sense is that th e best position > would be to mount the adhesive pad provided as high as possible on the > windscreen, along the aircraft=99s centerline > > A different approach would be to rotate the bracket with the mounting pad > and adhere it to the top of the instrument panel module, again on the > aircraft centerline > > Or is there, perhaps, another alternative? > > Have Europa pilots with in-flight experience settled this question? or has > the digital world eliminated the need or desirability for what=99s become a > little anachronism? > > Advice and counsel appreciated, > > Fred > A194 =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: a compass question From: Pete Here in canada we are lucky in that a simple tiny automotive suction cup bal l compass meets our amateur built reg's, with all normal business being take n care of with the panel glass these days. Cheers, Pete > On Feb 19, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > > thank you David > >> On Feb 19, 2019, at 1:28 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: >> >> Along with most of my friends my compass is at the top of the screen in m idline and has worked well. In UK we are still required to have one, but you are right that it is becoming less used/useful than it was with EFIS and GP S offering rather more user friendly options. There is the point of course t hat the compass will carry on working even if you are clean out of electrici ty so I wouldn't encourage you to bin it! >> >> Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ >> > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:51 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: a compass question > On Feb 19, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Tim Ward > wrote: > > I incorporated a compass =98holder=99 within the home made roof composite lining as seen in this photo. I designed it around a 747-400 compass moulding when bored flying over the Pacific years ago. I placed a blue aluminium plate to secure the compass. Holy cow Timwhat an outstanding set upthanks for the pix! BTW, I could not resist an allusion to =9Cheavy iron=9D by incorporating a few toggles in the overhead. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: a compass question From: Tim Ward Looks great Fred, well done. Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand ward.t@xtra.co.nz Mob +64 210640221 > On 20/02/2019, at 1:41 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > > > >> On Feb 19, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Tim Ward wrote: >> >> I incorporated a compass =98holder=99 within the home made ro of composite lining as seen in this photo. I designed it around a 747-400 co mpass moulding when bored flying over the Pacific years ago. I placed a blue aluminium plate to secure the compass. > > > Holy cow Timwhat an outstanding set upthanks for the pix ! > > BTW, I could not resist an allusion to =9Cheavy iron=9D by inc orporating a few toggles in the overhead. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:24 PM PST US From: Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_a_compass_question? 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