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I just ordered another PC680 for my 912 S Europa. This one lasted almost 5
years. I have had little problem with these batteries, even when using a st
andard automotive battery charger that brings the battery up to about 13.5
or volts. Lately it has only been able to bring the battery up to 12.8 v an
d I have been having problems starting, especially when cold. But today was
65 degrees F. so I pulled it out, saw the date on it, and bit the bullet.
Does anyone know of a charger that will charge these batteries properly - n
ormally when cold I turn on my engine block heater and put the charger on t
he battery to warm it up and I have no problem. However, I did try an Odess
ey battery charger and it burned up - I was lucky I didn't lose the plane.
Odessey was less than helpful and basically blew me off after admitting tha
t charger model had problems. They apparently dropped that model and brough
t out a new model but I felt a tad nervous about using their charger. Any s
uggestions?
Gary Leinberger
N388SG
Europa A237
Lancaster, Pa., USA
380 hours.
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1. 01:18 AM - Re: Which battery claims should I believe? (clivesutton
)
2. 09:24 AM - Europa Aircraft - location change (John Wighton)
3. 12:13 PM - Re: Which battery claims should I believe? (JonathanMil
bank)
________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________
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Time: 01:18:21 AM PST US
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which battery claims should I believe?
From: "clivesutton" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
Hi Jonathan,
To contribute to to your original question (which is indeed fascinating) i
think
the answer may have to do with the internal chemistries/construction of eac
h,
the way each Mfr interprets e.g. CCA and CA testing and their market focus.
I believe that:
Varley have the best Pulse Hot Cranking Amp performance because they are of
sealed
bog std lead acid construction. But this comes at the price of life (from
apprenticeship days i recall that the pure lead plates can buckle under con
tinuous
high-amperage discharge and eventually this and sulphation shorts an indivi
dual
cell, dropping the battery voltage).
The Odessey and the Tanya are both Absorbed Glass Mat tech - a tech which s
eems
to offer a better life at the expense of lower Cold-Cranking Performance an
d
capacity - a kind of compromise. In my view this is perhaps best type suit
ed
to our application given the sometimes lengthy time gaps between use. The
912S's
higher capacity starter motor is rated at 0.9kW at 12v which translates to
a demand of 300A for 1 sec and then 75A for the remainder to the maximum 1
0-second
start cycle. So providing the battery cabling is short and 4SWG/16mm2
those were the reasons for my choice of the Odessey battery.
Whilst Odessey list Aircraft use as an application, Tanya seem to list the
EC680
as predominantly a Motorcycle battery. Even more curious is that Tanya wil
l
sell both batteries - with the EC680 being 20 cheaper. Vibration durabilit
y
perhaps?
https://www.tayna.co.uk/industrial-batteries/odyssey/pc680/?gclid=EAIaIQo
bChMI7uHf9L244QIVz5TtCh17tgzhEAQYAiABEgKa3fD_BwE
https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/enduroline/ec680/
There is also a lot of re-badging going on in the battery world and i wonde
r if
the PC680/EC680 is an example of that
Hope it can add to the debate . . .
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488535#488535
________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________
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Time: 09:24:56 AM PST US
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Aircraft - location change
From: "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net>
Please see the announcement by Europa.
http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/news/item/europa-aircraft-is-moving
--------
John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488549#488549
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Time: 12:13:16 PM PST US
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which battery claims should I believe?
From: "JonathanMilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
Clive, your reply is really helpful and your "re-badging" suggestion is mor
e or
less borne out by a man I spoke to at Tanya, although who's to say whether
the
"own brand" EC680 is of just as high a quality as the PC680. The 20 reducti
on
in price might suggest cheaper components and processes.
So I "bit the bullet" and ordered the Odyssey, after having been beaten int
o submission
by the overwhelming flood of testimonials in its favour. Thanks to all
for the repeated "lashes with the Odyssey whip". I feel so much better!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488552#488552
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| Subject: | Re: PC680 battery |
Hey Gary,
I also run the OdesseyPC 680 to start my Jabiru 3300A. And while I am in th
e warm city of Las Vegas, it does get very cool here during the winter
=99s. During that time are use a 3A battery charger made by Schumacher calle
d the Battery Extender. I picked it up at Walmart for about $25. It has seve
ral attachment leads that you can plug into it. I have permanently attached t
he leads that have the ring terminals to mount right onto the battery and th
en I drilled a small hole through the firewall in the very corner on the pas
senger side and fed the cable through there. When I=99m leaving the pl
ane for a long time I set the battery charger on the floor on the passenger s
ide plug it in and I run an extension cord in through the flap slot up throu
gh one of the access panels just in front of the =9CD=9D window.
This way the charger remains inside the plane and free from tampering. If y
ou forward me your email address I can send you pictures of the unit that I u
se.
Mike Duane
N377EA EuropaXS
Conventional Gear
Las Vegas, NV
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 6, 2019, at 3:04 PM, Gary Leinberger <Gary.Leinberger@millersville.
edu> wrote:
>
> I just ordered another PC680 for my 912 S Europa. This one lasted almost 5
years. I have had little problem with these batteries, even when using a st
andard automotive battery charger that brings the battery up to about 13.5 o
r volts. Lately it has only been able to bring the battery up to 12.8 v and I
have been having problems starting, especially when cold. But today was 65 d
egrees F. so I pulled it out, saw the date on it, and bit the bullet.
>
> Does anyone know of a charger that will charge these batteries properly - n
ormally when cold I turn on my engine block heater and put the charger on th
e battery to warm it up and I have no problem. However, I did try an Odessey
battery charger and it burned up - I was lucky I didn't lose the plane. Ode
ssey was less than helpful and basically blew me off after admitting that ch
arger model had problems. They apparently dropped that model and brought out
a new model but I felt a tad nervous about using their charger. Any suggest
ions?
>
>
> Gary Leinberger
> N388SG
> Europa A237
> Lancaster, Pa., USA
> 380 hours.
>
>
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> 1. 01:18 AM - Re: Which battery claims should I believe? (clivesutto
n)
> 2. 09:24 AM - Europa Aircraft - location change (John Wighton)
> 3. 12:13 PM - Re: Which battery claims should I believe? (JonathanMi
lbank)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________
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>
> Time: 01:18:21 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which battery claims should I believe?
> From: "clivesutton" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
>
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> To contribute to to your original question (which is indeed fascinating) i
think
> the answer may have to do with the internal chemistries/construction of ea
ch,
> the way each Mfr interprets e.g. CCA and CA testing and their market focus
.
> I believe that:
>
> Varley have the best Pulse Hot Cranking Amp performance because they are o
f sealed
> bog std lead acid construction. But this comes at the price of life (from
> apprenticeship days i recall that the pure lead plates can buckle under co
ntinuous
> high-amperage discharge and eventually this and sulphation shorts an indiv
idual
> cell, dropping the battery voltage).
>
> The Odessey and the Tanya are both Absorbed Glass Mat tech - a tech which s
eems
> to offer a better life at the expense of lower Cold-Cranking Performance a
nd
> capacity - a kind of compromise. In my view this is perhaps best type sui
ted
> to our application given the sometimes lengthy time gaps between use. The
912S's
> higher capacity starter motor is rated at 0.9kW at 12v which translates to
> a demand of 300A for 1 sec and then 75A for the remainder to the maximum 1
0-second
> start cycle. So providing the battery cabling is short and 4SWG/16mm2
> those were the reasons for my choice of the Odessey battery.
>
> Whilst Odessey list Aircraft use as an application, Tanya seem to list the
EC680
> as predominantly a Motorcycle battery. Even more curious is that Tanya wi
ll
> sell both batteries - with the EC680 being 20 cheaper. Vibration durabili
ty
> perhaps?
>
> https://www.tayna.co.uk/industrial-batteries/odyssey/pc680/?gclid=EAIaIQ
obChMI7uHf9L244QIVz5TtCh17tgzhEAQYAiABEgKa3fD_BwE
>
> https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/enduroline/ec680/
>
> There is also a lot of re-badging going on in the battery world and i wond
er if
> the PC680/EC680 is an example of that
>
> Hope it can add to the debate . . .
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488535#488535
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________
________
>
>
> Time: 09:24:56 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Aircraft - location change
> From: "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net>
>
>
> Please see the announcement by Europa.
>
> http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/news/item/europa-aircraft-is-moving
>
> --------
> John Wighton
> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488549#488549
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________
________
>
>
> Time: 12:13:16 PM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which battery claims should I believe?
> From: "JonathanMilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
>
>
> Clive, your reply is really helpful and your "re-badging" suggestion is mo
re or
> less borne out by a man I spoke to at Tanya, although who's to say whether
the
> "own brand" EC680 is of just as high a quality as the PC680. The 20 reduct
ion
> in price might suggest cheaper components and processes.
>
> So I "bit the bullet" and ordered the Odyssey, after having been beaten in
to submission
> by the overwhelming flood of testimonials in its favour. Thanks to all
> for the repeated "lashes with the Odyssey whip". I feel so much better!
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488552#488552
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| Subject: | Re: PC680 battery |
Gary...my PC680 is very happy being charged by an EnerSys charger ...sorry I
can=99t give you a model #... and it=99s so light that I=99
ve mounted it onboard.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 6, 2019, at 3:04 PM, Gary Leinberger <Gary.Leinberger@millersville.
edu> wrote:
>
> I just ordered another PC680 for my 912 S Europa. This one lasted almost 5
years. I have had little problem with these batteries, even when using a st
andard automotive battery charger that brings the battery up to about 13.5 o
r volts. Lately it has only been able to bring the battery up to 12.8 v and I
have been having problems starting, especially when cold. But today was 65 d
egrees F. so I pulled it out, saw the date on it, and bit the bullet.
>
> Does anyone know of a charger that will charge these batteries properly - n
ormally when cold I turn on my engine block heater and put the charger on th
e battery to warm it up and I have no problem. However, I did try an Odessey
battery charger and it burned up - I was lucky I didn't lose the plane. Ode
ssey was less than helpful and basically blew me off after admitting that ch
arger model had problems. They apparently dropped that model and brought out
a new model but I felt a tad nervous about using their charger. Any suggest
ions?
>
>
> Gary Leinberger
> N388SG
> Europa A237
> Lancaster, Pa., USA
> 380 hours.
>
>
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@mat
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> 1. 01:18 AM - Re: Which battery claims should I believe? (clivesutto
n)
> 2. 09:24 AM - Europa Aircraft - location change (John Wighton)
> 3. 12:13 PM - Re: Which battery claims should I believe? (JonathanMi
lbank)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 01:18:21 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which battery claims should I believe?
> From: "clivesutton" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
>
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> To contribute to to your original question (which is indeed fascinating) i
think
> the answer may have to do with the internal chemistries/construction of ea
ch,
> the way each Mfr interprets e.g. CCA and CA testing and their market focus
.
> I believe that:
>
> Varley have the best Pulse Hot Cranking Amp performance because they are o
f sealed
> bog std lead acid construction. But this comes at the price of life (from
> apprenticeship days i recall that the pure lead plates can buckle under co
ntinuous
> high-amperage discharge and eventually this and sulphation shorts an indiv
idual
> cell, dropping the battery voltage).
>
> The Odessey and the Tanya are both Absorbed Glass Mat tech - a tech which s
eems
> to offer a better life at the expense of lower Cold-Cranking Performance a
nd
> capacity - a kind of compromise. In my view this is perhaps best type sui
ted
> to our application given the sometimes lengthy time gaps between use. The
912S's
> higher capacity starter motor is rated at 0.9kW at 12v which translates to
> a demand of 300A for 1 sec and then 75A for the remainder to the maximum 1
0-second
> start cycle. So providing the battery cabling is short and 4SWG/16mm2
> those were the reasons for my choice of the Odessey battery.
>
> Whilst Odessey list Aircraft use as an application, Tanya seem to list the
EC680
> as predominantly a Motorcycle battery. Even more curious is that Tanya wi
ll
> sell both batteries - with the EC680 being 20 cheaper. Vibration durabili
ty
> perhaps?
>
> https://www.tayna.co.uk/industrial-batteries/odyssey/pc680/?gclid=EAIaIQ
obChMI7uHf9L244QIVz5TtCh17tgzhEAQYAiABEgKa3fD_BwE
>
> https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/enduroline/ec680/
>
> There is also a lot of re-badging going on in the battery world and i wond
er if
> the PC680/EC680 is an example of that
>
> Hope it can add to the debate . . .
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488535#488535
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________
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>
>
> Time: 09:24:56 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Aircraft - location change
> From: "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net>
>
>
> Please see the announcement by Europa.
>
> http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/news/item/europa-aircraft-is-moving
>
> --------
> John Wighton
> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488549#488549
>
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> Time: 12:13:16 PM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which battery claims should I believe?
> From: "JonathanMilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
>
>
> Clive, your reply is really helpful and your "re-badging" suggestion is mo
re or
> less borne out by a man I spoke to at Tanya, although who's to say whether
the
> "own brand" EC680 is of just as high a quality as the PC680. The 20 reduct
ion
> in price might suggest cheaper components and processes.
>
> So I "bit the bullet" and ordered the Odyssey, after having been beaten in
to submission
> by the overwhelming flood of testimonials in its favour. Thanks to all
> for the repeated "lashes with the Odyssey whip". I feel so much better!
>
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| Subject: | Re: PC680 battery |
Gary...my PC680 is very happy being charged by an EnerSys charger ...sorry I
can=99t give you a model #... and it=99s so light that I=99
ve mounted it onboard.
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> On Apr 6, 2019, at 3:04 PM, Gary Leinberger <Gary.Leinberger@millersville.
edu> wrote:
>
> I just ordered another PC680 for my 912 S Europa. This one lasted almost 5
years. I have had little problem with these batteries, even when using a st
andard automotive battery charger that brings the battery up to about 13.5 o
r volts. Lately it has only been able to bring the battery up to 12.8 v and I
have been having problems starting, especially when cold. But today was 65 d
egrees F. so I pulled it out, saw the date on it, and bit the bullet.
>
> Does anyone know of a charger that will charge these batteries properly - n
ormally when cold I turn on my engine block heater and put the charger on th
e battery to warm it up and I have no problem. However, I did try an Odessey
battery charger and it burned up - I was lucky I didn't lose the plane. Ode
ssey was less than helpful and basically blew me off after admitting that ch
arger model had problems. They apparently dropped that model and brought out
a new model but I felt a tad nervous about using their charger. Any suggest
ions?
>
>
> Gary Leinberger
> N388SG
> Europa A237
> Lancaster, Pa., USA
> 380 hours.
>
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> 1. 01:18 AM - Re: Which battery claims should I believe? (clivesutto
n)
> 2. 09:24 AM - Europa Aircraft - location change (John Wighton)
> 3. 12:13 PM - Re: Which battery claims should I believe? (JonathanMi
lbank)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________
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> Time: 01:18:21 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which battery claims should I believe?
> From: "clivesutton" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
>
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> To contribute to to your original question (which is indeed fascinating) i
think
> the answer may have to do with the internal chemistries/construction of ea
ch,
> the way each Mfr interprets e.g. CCA and CA testing and their market focus
.
> I believe that:
>
> Varley have the best Pulse Hot Cranking Amp performance because they are o
f sealed
> bog std lead acid construction. But this comes at the price of life (from
> apprenticeship days i recall that the pure lead plates can buckle under co
ntinuous
> high-amperage discharge and eventually this and sulphation shorts an indiv
idual
> cell, dropping the battery voltage).
>
> The Odessey and the Tanya are both Absorbed Glass Mat tech - a tech which s
eems
> to offer a better life at the expense of lower Cold-Cranking Performance a
nd
> capacity - a kind of compromise. In my view this is perhaps best type sui
ted
> to our application given the sometimes lengthy time gaps between use. The
912S's
> higher capacity starter motor is rated at 0.9kW at 12v which translates to
> a demand of 300A for 1 sec and then 75A for the remainder to the maximum 1
0-second
> start cycle. So providing the battery cabling is short and 4SWG/16mm2
> those were the reasons for my choice of the Odessey battery.
>
> Whilst Odessey list Aircraft use as an application, Tanya seem to list the
EC680
> as predominantly a Motorcycle battery. Even more curious is that Tanya wi
ll
> sell both batteries - with the EC680 being 20 cheaper. Vibration durabili
ty
> perhaps?
>
> https://www.tayna.co.uk/industrial-batteries/odyssey/pc680/?gclid=EAIaIQ
obChMI7uHf9L244QIVz5TtCh17tgzhEAQYAiABEgKa3fD_BwE
>
> https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/enduroline/ec680/
>
> There is also a lot of re-badging going on in the battery world and i wond
er if
> the PC680/EC680 is an example of that
>
> Hope it can add to the debate . . .
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488535#488535
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> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________
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> Time: 09:24:56 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Aircraft - location change
> From: "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net>
>
>
> Please see the announcement by Europa.
>
> http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/news/item/europa-aircraft-is-moving
>
> --------
> John Wighton
> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488549#488549
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> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________
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>
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> Time: 12:13:16 PM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which battery claims should I believe?
> From: "JonathanMilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
>
>
> Clive, your reply is really helpful and your "re-badging" suggestion is mo
re or
> less borne out by a man I spoke to at Tanya, although who's to say whether
the
> "own brand" EC680 is of just as high a quality as the PC680. The 20 reduct
ion
> in price might suggest cheaper components and processes.
>
> So I "bit the bullet" and ordered the Odyssey, after having been beaten in
to submission
> by the overwhelming flood of testimonials in its favour. Thanks to all
> for the repeated "lashes with the Odyssey whip". I feel so much better!
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488552#488552
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