---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/16/19: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:13 AM - Texel fly-in 23rd-25th August - save the date! (Roland) 2. 08:05 PM - Runaway trim (Bud Yerly) 3. 10:29 PM - Europa Accident (Lance Sandford) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:22 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Texel fly-in 23rd-25th August - save the date! From: "Roland" Folks, it's time to make some planning and register for the important dates to come... http://www.texelflyin.nl/ I hope to meet many of you on the Texel-island in August at the most friendly airfield in the Netherlands. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488760#488760 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:13 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: Europa-List: Runaway trim Sorry I can=92t get the list yet in my Windows 10-Outlook. I have never seen runaway trim. A momentary trim stick and trim failure ye s. But a runaway trim button did happen to a friend of mine in a T-33 (Butt on stuck). The Europa has sufficient stick authority to fly regardless of trim positio n. Unless one has limited the stab throw due to a grievous building error, Building conventions are to install a trim CB where it is easily reached. There is not a snowballs chance in you know where, you will recognize the p roblem then get to the trim CB in time to stop a runaway trim. Practice an d find out what the control pressures are for various configurations. Toda y folks install fully self contained power boxes for power distribution, so no trim CB. I suppose I am guilty of not installing a paddle switch on th e stick for a quick trim/autopilot cutout as was military standard back in the 60s for these power boxes. Trim failure occurs most often with those with the trim button conveniently on the top of the stick=85 A size 10 boot can break the button and cause it to jamb or be damaged. Flying with a damaged trim button is asking for trouble. Always have a plug at the base of the stick to disconnect the sti ck. Then use the copilot stick. I=92ve never had the actual trim motor fail, but like all electrical equipm ent, it can fail. Wiring gets damaged or disconnected normally. I had an A&P put a drill thr ough a wire bundle one time putting the top on with clecos and hit the trim wire dead on. Found it and fixed it during the build. Normally it is a b ad solder joint or poor crimp causes the trim to fail. If you have never practiced trim failure in your flight tests in any airpla ne, you are in for a surprise. It can be fatiguing. Plan to land as soo n as conditions permit due to fatigue. Normal trim failure is not runaway, but a trim failure to work (i.e. dead). Start three mistakes high to practice. >From cruise trimmed up (Fairly nose down trim), try to come in with that tr im setting and do a low approach/landing. >From stall or slow flight practice (Nose Up), try that same drill. Let your imagination run wild. Fly with full nose up or full nose down. General Rules with full up or down: Full nose up, cut speed, slow and lower flaps to see if it eases control at approach speed. Do a flapped landing at a speed where you are near neutra l stick pressure. With a nose heavy aircraft (forward CG), a no flap land ing may be at or near zero stick pressure and be more comfortable. Caution : On go around with full flaps and full up trim, the plane will violently p itch up so use forward stick to keep a steady climb attitude, then bring th e flaps up if down to prevent ballooning. Full nose down, depends on the aircraft. Hold back pressure and slow to do a flapped approach at higher than normal speed near flap limiting speed to ease pressure. You will tire rapidly in some aircraft with full nose down, so flaps at speed will ease your stick pressure enroute to a safe airfield . Eventually you will have to hold some pressure to land. The old wives tale that the trim can be overridden by stick pressure on a s tabilator like the Europa is false. The only possible way for override is if the trim motor mechanism breaks off where it connects to the TS03. Fat chance of that happening. Others may have found other techniques but practice at altitude and see for yourself what happens with your trim and configuration. Some variations i n stab setup causes some planes to have slight differences in trim authorit y. Same hard over trim situations must be checked for aileron and rudder trim (autopilots too). Older autopilot systems don=92t trim so when the au topilot is shut off or fails, surprise! Those folks who have always controlled pitch with trim rather than setting a pitch attitude then trimming are most susceptible to run away trim out of control situations. I feel it is imperative to know the pitch and power s ettings and regardless of trim, set the picture, trim it, and then crossche ck it. My opinion on the 737 Max: Anytime you have an automatic system, those who fail to know their airplane, are at extreme risk. When one is in a new ai rplane or a modified one, absolute knowledge of what has changed must be co mmitted to memory. My friends flying at Southwest (at least for another year until forced reti rement), had no issues with the Max. Gear Up, Flaps Up, Autopilot On befor e the plane is stabilized causes automatic stability equipment such as auto pilots and the like to misbehave. They simply cut off the auto stabilator incidence stall/trim to reset. This is widely know in the US. Foreign tra ining standards I won=92t get into as it is beyond this forum. I was train ed to get the plane stabilized, trimmed then hit the autopilot. Fly the pl ane. Hit the paddle switch (auto system cutout) if the plane misbehaves. Then analyze the situation and take proper action. Know your airplane and practice emergencies. It is just common sense. Just my opinion. Best Regards, Bud Yerly Sent from Mail for Window s 10 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:40 PM PST US From: Lance Sandford Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accident Email forwarded from Jabiru yahoo group. Any Europa members in area? On test flight near KDWA Yolo County Airport The Jabiru engineceased about ten minutes into the flight. I leveled off at 3000 feet and was cruising along and a 2950rpm when some went bang and I lost power, check everything over and observed that cylinder #5 EGT and CHT were running down. Turned toward the airportabout 5 miles away. Engine still running and figured I'd make it OK. Turn a 2 mile final and the engine ceased! It looked as the aiming spot was in the center of the runway. At 1/2 mile it started moving towards me fast. Looked at the MGL Odyssey and it showed 690 feet. Just then EFIS said I had a traffic at 6 o'clock at 300 feet. I had to make hard decision; continue towards the airport with a plane under me and trees coming up. I made a 90 degrees turn to the left. Picked the worse type on field, plowed with furrowsstraight in front of me. Tricycle gear airplane. I slipped it because I was too high and over did it. Heading towards a weather station right in front of me. Had to turn more left the back to the furrows, about that time I run out of air. Hit nose first flipped on my back. I was trapped in the cockpit for one hour with fuel running out the filler neck and leaking down to the center section where I was trapped. Got first degree burns on my belly and down lower. Got a helicopter ride to U.C. Davis. The pilot of the 300 foot airplane was the first of there. He could not up me but the fire volunteer department was on there way. Will known more later, but reading this blog I'm pretty sure the exhaust valve on #5 failed. Will let you know more when the NTSB tearing the engine down. Engine G2 3300L 33a2120 first flight June 11. 2011 Total Time 196.9 Rick Stockton http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/04/europa-trigear-n120ej-accident-occurred.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.