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1. 01:34 AM - Re: Europa Accident (Roland)
2. 02:35 AM - Re: Re: Europa Accident (Pete)
3. 02:49 AM - Re: Re: Europa Accident (Pete Lawless)
4. 03:52 AM - Re: Europa Accident (Roland)
5. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: Europa Accident (Peter Zutrauen)
6. 07:21 AM - Roll bar (Fred Klein)
7. 07:33 AM - Re: Europa Accident (Roland)
8. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: Europa Accident (Christoph Both)
9. 03:05 PM - Flaps actuator potentiometer (diamond)
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Subject: | Re: Europa Accident |
In this context I ask myself the question of what use if any is an emergency hammer,
which I have in the baggage compartment. From the picture I'd suppose, that
there is sufficient space between the door sill and the wing for escaping,
provided that one isn't seriously injured. But would it be possible to break
a big whole into the plexi glass with the hammer to escape? Any thoughts on this?
Of what other use is the hammer then? Only just a cutter for the seat belts
could be much lighter than that one which is combined with the hammer.
How about the door itself? It's not very solid. Wouldn't it be possible to deform
it sufficiently using a strong force? It would be interesting to know more
details from the similar accident in England, where the Pilot managed to escape,
but with difficulties.
Just Brainstorming...
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Subject: | Re: Europa Accident |
Fwiw: put the hinge pins on some light stranded wire, and pull them all with a
single handle pull?
Regards,
Pete
A239
> On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:33 AM, Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
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> In this context I ask myself the question of what use if any is an emergency
hammer, which I have in the baggage compartment. From the picture I'd suppose,
that there is sufficient space between the door sill and the wing for escaping,
provided that one isn't seriously injured. But would it be possible to break
a big whole into the plexi glass with the hammer to escape? Any thoughts on
this? Of what other use is the hammer then? Only just a cutter for the seat belts
could be much lighter than that one which is combined with the hammer.
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> How about the door itself? It's not very solid. Wouldn't it be possible to deform
it sufficiently using a strong force? It would be interesting to know more
details from the similar accident in England, where the Pilot managed to escape,
but with difficulties.
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> Just Brainstorming...
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Subject: | Re: Europa Accident |
Hi Roland
We tested a cutter/hammer on a scrap Europa door window and it broke it
most satisfactorily.
Pete
G-RMAC Classic #109
On 23/04/2019 09:33, Roland wrote:
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> In this context I ask myself the question of what use if any is an emergency
hammer, which I have in the baggage compartment. From the picture I'd suppose,
that there is sufficient space between the door sill and the wing for escaping,
provided that one isn't seriously injured. But would it be possible to break
a big whole into the plexi glass with the hammer to escape? Any thoughts on
this? Of what other use is the hammer then? Only just a cutter for the seat belts
could be much lighter than that one which is combined with the hammer.
>
> How about the door itself? It's not very solid. Wouldn't it be possible to deform
it sufficiently using a strong force? It would be interesting to know more
details from the similar accident in England, where the Pilot managed to escape,
but with difficulties.
>
> Just Brainstorming...
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488888#488888
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Subject: | Re: Europa Accident |
That's very interesting, Pete - thanks for that information. I didn't want to test
it on my Europa-door after I once managed to close it in flight with great
efforts a couple of years ago.
This option is at least some peace of mind, because getting trapped in the cockpit
with fuel spilled all over me is not a very appealing thought.
Both accidents with flip over seem to suggest, that the frame of the windscreen
collapses on impact leaving only a small gap between roof and door sill.
Also I find Jim's idea very good to placard the location of the battery for the
rescue team.
All food for thought....
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Subject: | Re: Europa Accident |
I wonder if there is value in re-enforcing the windshield hoop? I a
light-weight carbon tube layup perhaps? Opinions out there?
thx,
Pete
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 6:59 AM Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
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> That's very interesting, Pete - thanks for that information. I didn't want
> to test it on my Europa-door after I once managed to close it in flight
> with great efforts a couple of years ago.
>
> This option is at least some peace of mind, because getting trapped in the
> cockpit with fuel spilled all over me is not a very appealing thought.
>
> Both accidents with flip over seem to suggest, that the frame of the
> windscreen collapses on impact leaving only a small gap between roof and
> door sill.
>
> Also I find Jim's idea very good to placard the location of the battery
> for the rescue team.
>
> All food for thought....
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488892#488892
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Pete...I reduxed a 5/8=9D flex tube as raceway and covered with 3 laye
rs BID...definitely stiffened it up; if I=99d been clever, I would hav
e used CF.
Sent from my iPhone
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Subject: | Re: Europa Accident |
And another question pops up:
Why is it, that the fuel is flooding the Cockpit in an inverted Europa? The breather
vents on top of the fuselage and the only open end of the fuel filler hose/filler
neck is on top of the fuselage as well. So as long as the tank or the
filler neck isn't cracked it should not happen, that fuel is running over the
occupants.
Where is my error in reasoning?
Roland
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Subject: | Re: Europa Accident |
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Subject: | Flaps actuator potentiometer |
Hello, Im a new happy owner of an Xs, and recently bought an Mgl efis fo upgrade
my panel. I wanted that mostly to use a fuel flow and a flaps controller. (To
keep an hand on the switch to move the flaps is not very secure in my mind...)
The problem is that the flap actuator doesnt seem to have a potentiometer...This
is bad because the efis needs a flaps position information...
Is someone had ever placed a potentiometer or replaced the actuator?
Emmanuel
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