---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/23/19: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:34 AM - Re: Europa Accident (Roland) 2. 02:35 AM - Re: Re: Europa Accident (Pete) 3. 02:49 AM - Re: Re: Europa Accident (Pete Lawless) 4. 03:52 AM - Re: Europa Accident (Roland) 5. 04:30 AM - Re: Re: Europa Accident (Peter Zutrauen) 6. 07:21 AM - Roll bar (Fred Klein) 7. 07:33 AM - Re: Europa Accident (Roland) 8. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: Europa Accident (Christoph Both) 9. 03:05 PM - Flaps actuator potentiometer (diamond) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Accident From: "Roland" In this context I ask myself the question of what use if any is an emergency hammer, which I have in the baggage compartment. From the picture I'd suppose, that there is sufficient space between the door sill and the wing for escaping, provided that one isn't seriously injured. But would it be possible to break a big whole into the plexi glass with the hammer to escape? Any thoughts on this? Of what other use is the hammer then? Only just a cutter for the seat belts could be much lighter than that one which is combined with the hammer. How about the door itself? It's not very solid. Wouldn't it be possible to deform it sufficiently using a strong force? It would be interesting to know more details from the similar accident in England, where the Pilot managed to escape, but with difficulties. Just Brainstorming... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488888#488888 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Accident From: Pete Fwiw: put the hinge pins on some light stranded wire, and pull them all with a single handle pull? Regards, Pete A239 > On Apr 23, 2019, at 4:33 AM, Roland wrote: > > > In this context I ask myself the question of what use if any is an emergency hammer, which I have in the baggage compartment. From the picture I'd suppose, that there is sufficient space between the door sill and the wing for escaping, provided that one isn't seriously injured. But would it be possible to break a big whole into the plexi glass with the hammer to escape? Any thoughts on this? Of what other use is the hammer then? Only just a cutter for the seat belts could be much lighter than that one which is combined with the hammer. > > How about the door itself? It's not very solid. Wouldn't it be possible to deform it sufficiently using a strong force? It would be interesting to know more details from the similar accident in England, where the Pilot managed to escape, but with difficulties. > > Just Brainstorming... > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488888#488888 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Accident From: Pete Lawless Hi Roland We tested a cutter/hammer on a scrap Europa door window and it broke it most satisfactorily. Pete G-RMAC Classic #109 On 23/04/2019 09:33, Roland wrote: > > In this context I ask myself the question of what use if any is an emergency hammer, which I have in the baggage compartment. From the picture I'd suppose, that there is sufficient space between the door sill and the wing for escaping, provided that one isn't seriously injured. But would it be possible to break a big whole into the plexi glass with the hammer to escape? Any thoughts on this? Of what other use is the hammer then? Only just a cutter for the seat belts could be much lighter than that one which is combined with the hammer. > > How about the door itself? It's not very solid. Wouldn't it be possible to deform it sufficiently using a strong force? It would be interesting to know more details from the similar accident in England, where the Pilot managed to escape, but with difficulties. > > Just Brainstorming... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488888#488888 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:40 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Accident From: "Roland" That's very interesting, Pete - thanks for that information. I didn't want to test it on my Europa-door after I once managed to close it in flight with great efforts a couple of years ago. This option is at least some peace of mind, because getting trapped in the cockpit with fuel spilled all over me is not a very appealing thought. Both accidents with flip over seem to suggest, that the frame of the windscreen collapses on impact leaving only a small gap between roof and door sill. Also I find Jim's idea very good to placard the location of the battery for the rescue team. All food for thought.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488892#488892 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:27 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Accident I wonder if there is value in re-enforcing the windshield hoop? I a light-weight carbon tube layup perhaps? Opinions out there? thx, Pete On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 6:59 AM Roland wrote: > > That's very interesting, Pete - thanks for that information. I didn't want > to test it on my Europa-door after I once managed to close it in flight > with great efforts a couple of years ago. > > This option is at least some peace of mind, because getting trapped in the > cockpit with fuel spilled all over me is not a very appealing thought. > > Both accidents with flip over seem to suggest, that the frame of the > windscreen collapses on impact leaving only a small gap between roof and > door sill. > > Also I find Jim's idea very good to placard the location of the battery > for the rescue team. > > All food for thought.... > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488892#488892 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:11 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: Roll bar Pete...I reduxed a 5/8=9D flex tube as raceway and covered with 3 laye rs BID...definitely stiffened it up; if I=99d been clever, I would hav e used CF. Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:13 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Accident From: "Roland" And another question pops up: Why is it, that the fuel is flooding the Cockpit in an inverted Europa? The breather vents on top of the fuselage and the only open end of the fuel filler hose/filler neck is on top of the fuselage as well. So as long as the tank or the filler neck isn't cracked it should not happen, that fuel is running over the occupants. Where is my error in reasoning? Roland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488902#488902 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:00 AM PST US From: Christoph Both Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Accident SSBjcmVhdGVkIGEgMy1wbHkgQ0YgbG9vcCBhcm91bmQgdGhlIGZyb250IGRvb3IgKHdpbmRzaGll bGQpIG9wZW5pbmcgYXJjaCBjYXJyeWluZyBpbnRvIHRoZSBmdXNlbGFnZSBzaWRlcyB3aGVyZSB0 aGUgbGlmdCBwaW4gcmVpbmZvcmNlbWVudCBsYXllcnMgYXJlLg0KVGhpcyByZWFsbHkgc3RpZmZl bmVkIHVwIHRoZSBmb3J3YXJkIGZ1c2VsYWdlIHNlY3Rpb24uIEV4dHJhIHdlaWdodCBvbmx5IDMw MCBncmFtcyBvciBzby4gSSB1c2VkIGEgMi1pbmNoIHdpZGUgQ0Ygd292ZW4gc3RyaXAuDQpDaHJp c3RvcGggQm90aA0KIzIyMw0KV29sZnZpbGxlLCBOb3ZhIFNjb3RpYQ0KDQpGcm9tOiA8b3duZXIt ZXVyb3BhLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+IG9uIGJlaGFsZiBvZiBQZXRlciBadXRy YXVlbiA8cGV0ZXJ6QHp1dHJhc29mdC5jb20+DQpSZXBseS1UbzogImV1cm9wYS1saXN0QG1hdHJv bmljcy5jb20iIDxldXJvcGEtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPg0KRGF0ZTogVHVlc2RheSwgQXBy aWwgMjMsIDIwMTkgYXQgMDk6MDINClRvOiBldXJvcGEtbGlzdCA8ZXVyb3BhLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9u aWNzLmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBFdXJvcGEtTGlzdDogUmU6IEV1cm9wYSBBY2NpZGVudA0K DQpJIHdvbmRlciBpZiB0aGVyZSBpcyB2YWx1ZSBpbiByZS1lbmZvcmNpbmcgdGhlIHdpbmRzaGll bGQgaG9vcD8gSSBhIGxpZ2h0LXdlaWdodCBjYXJib24gdHViZSBsYXl1cCBwZXJoYXBzPyBPcGlu aW9ucyBvdXQgdGhlcmU/DQoNCnRoeCwNClBldGUNCg0KDQoNCk9uIFR1ZSwgQXByIDIzLCAyMDE5 IGF0IDY6NTkgQU0gUm9sYW5kIDxzY2htaWR0cm9sYW5kQHdlYi5kZTxtYWlsdG86c2NobWlkdHJv bGFuZEB3ZWIuZGU+PiB3cm90ZToNCi0tPiBFdXJvcGEtTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3RlZCBieTog IlJvbGFuZCIgPHNjaG1pZHRyb2xhbmRAd2ViLmRlPG1haWx0bzpzY2htaWR0cm9sYW5kQHdlYi5k ZT4+DQoNClRoYXQncyB2ZXJ5IGludGVyZXN0aW5nLCBQZXRlIC0gdGhhbmtzIGZvciB0aGF0IGlu Zm9ybWF0aW9uLiBJIGRpZG4ndCB3YW50IHRvIHRlc3QgaXQgb24gbXkgRXVyb3BhLWRvb3IgYWZ0 ZXIgSSBvbmNlIG1hbmFnZWQgdG8gY2xvc2UgaXQgaW4gZmxpZ2h0IHdpdGggZ3JlYXQgZWZmb3J0 cyBhIGNvdXBsZSBvZiB5ZWFycyBhZ28uDQoNClRoaXMgb3B0aW9uIGlzIGF0IGxlYXN0IHNvbWUg cGVhY2Ugb2YgbWluZCwgYmVjYXVzZSBnZXR0aW5nIHRyYXBwZWQgaW4gdGhlIGNvY2twaXQgd2l0 aCBmdWVsIHNwaWxsZWQgYWxsIG92ZXIgbWUgaXMgbm90IGEgdmVyeSBhcHBlYWxpbmcgdGhvdWdo dC4NCg0KQm90aCBhY2NpZGVudHMgd2l0aCBmbGlwIG92ZXIgc2VlbSB0byBzdWdnZXN0LCB0aGF0 IHRoZSBmcmFtZSBvZiB0aGUgd2luZHNjcmVlbiBjb2xsYXBzZXMgb24gaW1wYWN0IGxlYXZpbmcg b25seSBhIHNtYWxsIGdhcCBiZXR3ZWVuIHJvb2YgYW5kIGRvb3Igc2lsbC4NCg0KQWxzbyBJIGZp bmQgSmltJ3MgaWRlYSB2ZXJ5IGdvb2QgdG8gcGxhY2FyZCB0aGUgbG9jYXRpb24gb2YgdGhlIGJh dHRlcnkgZm9yIHRoZSByZXNjdWUgdGVhbS4NCg0KQWxsIGZvb2QgZm9yIHRob3VnaHQuLi4uDQoN Cg0KDQoNClJlYWQgdGhpcyB0b3BpYyBvbmxpbmUgaGVyZToNCg0KaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRy b25pY3MuY29tL3ZpZXd0b3BpYy5waHA/cD00ODg4OTIjNDg4ODkyDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQo9PT09 PT09PT09PQ0KcGEtTGlzdCIgcmVsPSJub3JlZmVycmVyIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+aHR0cDov L3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9FdXJvcGEtTGlzdA0KPT09PT09PT09PT0NCkZP UlVNUyAtDQplZmVycmVyIiB0YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+aHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3Mu Y29tDQo9PT09PT09PT09PQ0KV0lLSSAtDQplcnJlciIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmh0dHA6Ly93 aWtpLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20NCj09PT09PT09PT09DQpiIFNpdGUgLQ0KICAgICAgICAgIC1NYXR0 IERyYWxsZSwgTGlzdCBBZG1pbi4NCnJlbD0ibm9yZWZlcnJlciIgdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmh0 dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9jb250cmlidXRpb24NCj09PT09PT09PT09DQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:02 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Flaps actuator potentiometer From: "diamond" Hello, Im a new happy owner of an Xs, and recently bought an Mgl efis fo upgrade my panel. I wanted that mostly to use a fuel flow and a flaps controller. (To keep an hand on the switch to move the flaps is not very secure in my mind...) The problem is that the flap actuator doesnt seem to have a potentiometer...This is bad because the efis needs a flaps position information... Is someone had ever placed a potentiometer or replaced the actuator? Emmanuel Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=488916#488916 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.