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1. 12:12 AM - Motorglider Wings? (clivesutton)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: Motorglider Wings? (h&jeuropa)
3. 04:58 AM - Re: Re: Motorglider Wings? (Peter Zutrauen)
4. 05:22 AM - Re: Re: Motorglider Wings? (Richard Churchill-Coleman)
5. 05:32 AM - Re: Re: Motorglider Wings? (Peter Zutrauen)
6. 06:14 AM - Re: Radio/Intercom issue - wisdom of the group sought..... (moosix)
7. 07:01 AM - Re: Engine Start Problem (Roland)
8. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Engine Start Problem (Pete Lawless)
9. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: Europa Ladies!!! (Fred Klein)
10. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: Engine Start Problem (Martin Tuck)
11. 11:16 AM - Re: Radio/Intercom issue - wisdom of the group sought..... (rampil)
12. 01:47 PM - Re: Oshkosh 2019 (flyingfish27)
13. 02:06 PM - Re: Europa Ladies!!! (SPURPURA)
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| Subject: | Motorglider Wings? |
Bob Hitchcock's EC website news item for this week is 'Glider Wings'.
Whilst I have the Std Classic Touring wings, I'm quite interested in the Motorglider
capability of a Europa. But it poses some questions for me. So for those
who already have and use them:-
1) Can they be safely carried on the factory Mono trailer - and if not, how do
you move them around, and store them?
2) To reduce the cost impact, has anyone tried 'syndicating' a set of MG wings
with another Europa owner - and how practical is that from the engineering/rigging
point of view - e.g. has anyone tried to set up two fuselages to accept the
same set of wings?
3) For the average Europa empty weight range, what is the additional weight penalty
of using MG wings, and is it so large that touring becomes impractical?
[mine was just re-weighed and is 850lb]
4) i have seen several images of MG wings on TriGears, but i don't think i've seen
any on a Mono - can anyone refer a link to same please?
Thanks in anticipation. Clive G-YETI
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider Wings? |
Clive,
Hopefully Bud Yerly will answer all your questions but here's what we know. We've
have a set that we've started, but likely will not complete.
The glider wings are at least 100 lbs heavier. This severely restricts their usefulness
for touring.
You are right, there are few photos of a mono with glider wings. I've attached
a photo of Terry Severs with one wing in place. Dave Anderson and Ken Carpenter
are two mono gliders but no photos (Carpenters is on Yerlys website but with
short wings).
A problem with glider wings on a mono is that the spar mod increases the height
of the spar causing it to interfere with the flap actuation rod. We have successfully
fitted a push pull cable to solve that problem. Another solution is
to go to electric flaps like a trigear.
Jim & Heather
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider Wings? |
Jim,
Here in Canada we can declare whatever gross weight we want (wisely or
not). Seeing that the added weight is itself in the wing and results in no
increased stresses, I figure I could simply increase the gross with long
wings by the same 100lbs without penalty (assuming enough HP). No?
Curious, how much floor-spar clearance is there with the glider spars vs
short wings? Is there a possibility that a modified/redesigned drive tube
could still work for both?
cheers,
Pete
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:51 AM h&jeuropa <butcher43@att.net> wrote:
>
> Clive,
>
> Hopefully Bud Yerly will answer all your questions but here's what we
> know. We've have a set that we've started, but likely will not complete.
>
> The glider wings are at least 100 lbs heavier. This severely restricts
> their usefulness for touring.
>
> You are right, there are few photos of a mono with glider wings. I've
> attached a photo of Terry Severs with one wing in place. Dave Anderson and
> Ken Carpenter are two mono gliders but no photos (Carpenters is on Yerlys
> website but with short wings).
>
> A problem with glider wings on a mono is that the spar mod increases the
> height of the spar causing it to interfere with the flap actuation rod. We
> have successfully fitted a push pull cable to solve that problem. Another
> solution is to go to electric flaps like a trigear.
>
> Jim & Heather
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=489211#489211
>
>
> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hanger_sm_158.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider Wings? |
Jim and Pete
I am partway through a mono MG build with short and long wings. I pressed E
uropa for a revised FL20 flap drive that would clear the Mod78 spars, follow
ing reports of the conflict on more advanced UK builds. I (eventually) rece
ived that redesigned FL20 late last year but my build hasn=99t progres
sed far enough yet to actually test the clearance!
Cheers
Richard C-C
Sent from my iPad
> On 14 May 2019, at 12:57, Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Here in Canada we can declare whatever gross weight we want (wisely or not
). Seeing that the added weight is itself in the wing and results in no incr
eased stresses, I figure I could simply increase the gross with long wings b
y the same 100lbs without penalty (assuming enough HP). No?
>
> Curious, how much floor-spar clearance is there with the glider spars vs s
hort wings? Is there a possibility that a modified/redesigned drive tube cou
ld still work for both?
>
> cheers,
> Pete
>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:51 AM h&jeuropa <butcher43@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> Clive,
>>
>> Hopefully Bud Yerly will answer all your questions but here's what we kno
w. We've have a set that we've started, but likely will not complete.
>>
>> The glider wings are at least 100 lbs heavier. This severely restricts t
heir usefulness for touring.
>>
>> You are right, there are few photos of a mono with glider wings. I've at
tached a photo of Terry Severs with one wing in place. Dave Anderson and Ke
n Carpenter are two mono gliders but no photos (Carpenters is on Yerlys webs
ite but with short wings).
>>
>> A problem with glider wings on a mono is that the spar mod increases the h
eight of the spar causing it to interfere with the flap actuation rod. We h
ave successfully fitted a push pull cable to solve that problem. Another so
lution is to go to electric flaps like a trigear.
>>
>> Jim & Heather
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=489211#489211
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hanger_sm_158.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider Wings? |
great news, and fingers X'd :-)
On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:30 AM Richard Churchill-Coleman <
richard.churchill-coleman@sky.com> wrote:
> Jim and Pete
>
> I am partway through a mono MG build with short and long wings. I presse
d
> Europa for a revised FL20 flap drive that would clear the Mod78 spars,
> following reports of the conflict on more advanced UK builds. I
> (eventually) received that redesigned FL20 late last year but my build
> hasn=99t progressed far enough yet to actually test the clearance!
>
> Cheers
> Richard C-C
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 14 May 2019, at 12:57, Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Here in Canada we can declare whatever gross weight we want (wisely or
> not). Seeing that the added weight is itself in the wing and results in n
o
> increased stresses, I figure I could simply increase the gross with long
> wings by the same 100lbs without penalty (assuming enough HP). No?
>
> Curious, how much floor-spar clearance is there with the glider spars vs
> short wings? Is there a possibility that a modified/redesigned drive tube
> could still work for both?
>
> cheers,
> Pete
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:51 AM h&jeuropa <butcher43@att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Clive,
>>
>> Hopefully Bud Yerly will answer all your questions but here's what we
>> know. We've have a set that we've started, but likely will not complete
.
>>
>> The glider wings are at least 100 lbs heavier. This severely restricts
>> their usefulness for touring.
>>
>> You are right, there are few photos of a mono with glider wings. I've
>> attached a photo of Terry Severs with one wing in place. Dave Anderson
and
>> Ken Carpenter are two mono gliders but no photos (Carpenters is on Yerly
s
>> website but with short wings).
>>
>> A problem with glider wings on a mono is that the spar mod increases the
>> height of the spar causing it to interfere with the flap actuation rod.
We
>> have successfully fitted a push pull cable to solve that problem. Anoth
er
>> solution is to go to electric flaps like a trigear.
>>
>> Jim & Heather
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=489211#489211
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/hanger_sm_158.jpg
>>
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on
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| Subject: | Re: Radio/Intercom issue - wisdom of the group sought..... |
Although most of the musical tracks nowadays are may be easily accessed online,
anyway I am looking for paid services like https://mp3caprice.com/genre at least
because I may download faster there entire album and with more quality. A
necessity of downloading appears anyway quite often, as soon as while listening,
for example, during a trip, sometimes Internet connection may fail and so on.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Start Problem |
Hi Martin,
here comes my story:
Damn thing wouldn't start, not even with lots of swearing. Removed one spark plug
and I could smell fuel. Warmed the ignition boxes with a hairdryer for 3 minutes
and the engine would start right away.
I had this problem two times. So if ignition is the problem, there you have (most
likely) the culprit.
BTW: ignition boxes for my Rotax (914) are 880 EUR each.
Good luck!
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Start Problem |
Hi
This company in the Netherlands was discussed on the forum a while
back. Rebuilding ignition units is one of their services.
https://www.carmo.nl/index.php?main_page=about_us&zenid=2ehjm35bincu889agim2s56jt0
Pete
G-RMAC Classic #109
On 14/05/2019 15:01, Roland wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> here comes my story:
>
> Damn thing wouldn't start, not even with lots of swearing. Removed one spark
plug and I could smell fuel. Warmed the ignition boxes with a hairdryer for 3
minutes and the engine would start right away.
>
> I had this problem two times. So if ignition is the problem, there you have (most
likely) the culprit.
>
> BTW: ignition boxes for my Rotax (914) are 880 EUR each.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS TG 914
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=489219#489219
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Ladies!!! |
> On May 13, 2019, at 12:03 PM, JonathanMilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk
<mailto:jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> Here's how we get "down and dirty" twice a week, doing everything and
more dance moves than seen in this link:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7Igr81DEg
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P7Igr81DEg>
too sweet Jonathankeep at it!!
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Start Problem |
Thanks Roland,
It seems to be a choke thing as I sprayed some Quick Start fluid into the air box
and it started right up. Oddly enough though, the Alt warning lamp is on all
the time. The only thing I have done electrically was to add a diode on to the
main solenoid to protect the avionics from spikes when shutting down. Ive never
seen it lit in all the years I have had it.
Martin Tuck
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 14, 2019, at 9:01 AM, Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> here comes my story:
>
> Damn thing wouldn't start, not even with lots of swearing. Removed one spark
plug and I could smell fuel. Warmed the ignition boxes with a hairdryer for 3
minutes and the engine would start right away.
>
> I had this problem two times. So if ignition is the problem, there you have (most
likely) the culprit.
>
> BTW: ignition boxes for my Rotax (914) are 880 EUR each.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS TG 914
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=489219#489219
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Radio/Intercom issue - wisdom of the group sought..... |
@Moosux is a spam garbage poster and not welcome here.
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh 2019 |
I'm planning on attending for most of the week. I've got an almost completed tri-gear
in process and looking forward to comparing notes with others.
David
--------
David Fisichella
Falmouth, MA USA
Cessna 172L
Europa XS Tri Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Ladies!!! |
My daughter with me today enjoying a flight lesson.
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N951EU - Tri-gear & 912ULS, N77EU- Mono & 914
I'D RATHER HAVE A BOTTLE IN FRONT OF ME THAN A FRONTAL LABOTAMY.
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