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1. 03:16 AM - Re: Motorglider Wings? (clivesutton)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: Re: Motorglider Wings? (Ian Cook)
3. 08:34 AM - Re: 914 CHT (willydewey)
4. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Motorglider Wings? (Fred Klein)
5. 09:27 AM - Re: 914 CHT (h&jeuropa)
6. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: Motorglider Wings? (Alan Twigg)
7. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Motorglider Wings? (Robert Borger)
8. 01:36 PM - Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod (10661 v2) (UK) (italianjon)
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider Wings? |
Thanks all for contributions - especially Bud's detailed answers to my Q's.
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider Wings? |
Clive,
I operate the only Extended Wing Europa with a LAA Permit in the UK,
G-CBHI. I can change back and forth between XS and Extended Wings with no
problem, and use an enclosed trailer built specially in Germany for the mon
o extended wings. It is shown in the corner of the hangar while I was riggi
ng the machine last winter. It did take a long time to get the Permit, star
ting in 2009 completed in 2018. The main reasons for the delay were the spa
r failing when it was plugged into the fuselage for a max structural test a
t 50 degrees C, hence mod 78. Standing the fuselage next to the hot autocla
ve full of fuel causing the tank to swell needing a tank change. Both items
needed LAA approved repair schemes before the work was completed taking a
lmost 3 years. The LAA then insisted on full spinning trials, over 80 in al
l. The machine was landed wheels up during this flight trails work taking a
further 2 years to complete. After this they wanted a warning system for U
/C /airbrakes, a stall warning system. Also there were issues on how to cle
ar it. As a motor glider, touring motor glider or SEP? It did not correctly
fit into any of the categories or design requirements. Also written confir
mation of the structural clearances for airbrakes flying controls etc was r
equired. A correctly approved Pilots Operating Handbook and audit trail for
all the clearance was required from Swift Aviation who had taken over engi
neering and design approval. It was found the existing XS stall warning did
not work correctly on the different wing profile of the extended wing, as
the machine could now fly very slowly 45 to 50 knot, having a stall warning
going off all the time was just not acceptable. All this added further yea
rs, and to cap it all, it got damaged in stormy weather last year when a ca
nopy cover tie broke and managed to undo the canopy handle and remove the d
oor. A further repair scheme was required for this, as all the previous doo
r losses had occurred in flight and were total losses. I have to thank Swif
t Aviation for their support last year when they were moving their home bas
e from Yorkshire to Coltishall and had so much on. We still do not have the
increase in all up mass yet and have a limited C of G, but I am still opti
mistic that these will come, but further flight trials will be required. H
owever, just in case that drags on I am doing a weight reduction exercise a
t the moment getting rid of lead acid batteries, vacuum system and gyro ins
trument etc giving me an extra 20 kg off the basic hull weight.
Best regards
Ian Cook
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Thanks all for contributions - especially Bud's detailed answers to my Q's.
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Hi Paul, Bud, Spurpura, H&J, AS well as Jim
Thanks Guys for your replies, all are much appreciated.
I raised the question because the GR EIS was misbehaving and found a thermistor
probe and a K type on opposite sides of the engine. I have now, with the assistance
of a friend shorted out the probe type thermocouple and repositioned the
ring bolted type K style. Result problem solved.
Thanks once more I am now able once again to aviate!!!
Regards to all
Bill Dewey
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider Wings? |
IanWhat an odyssey!!extraordinary
perseveranceHuzzahplease keep us posted.
Best,
Fred
> On May 19, 2019, at 5:21 AM, Ian Cook <iancook_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I operate the only Extended Wing Europa with a LAA Permit in the UK,
G-CBHI. I can change back and forth between XS and Extended Wings with
no problem, and use an enclosed trailer built specially in Germany for
the mono extended wings. It is shown in the corner of the hangar while I
was rigging the machine last winter. It did take a long time to get the
Permit, starting in 2009 completed in 2018.
> Best regards
>
> Ian Cook
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Bill,
Glad you've solved the problem.
Just to be certain, the CHT are Type J thermocouples, red and white wires and 50
microvolt / deg C while EGT are Type K thermocouples, red and yellow wires and
40 microvolt / deg C.
While either will work, to have accurate CHT readings they need to be Type J.
Jim Butcher
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider Wings? |
I have been building mine in the background, since 2003/4, (I forget). I fee
l guilty that Ian was the pathfinder, my surprise was that Europa/ Swift com
pleted the manual after I completed the build. I have spent the winter compl
eting the bits that were not in the original manual, after my Wing fairings w
ere fitted!
I hope to join Ian in the air this Summer but still have a set of unbuilt sh
ort wings in the roof of the workshop, hoping I do not need them.
Alan Twigg
Mono Motorglider ( long Wing variant).
Kit 463
Sent from my iPad
> On 19 May 2019, at 17:17, Fred Klein <freddythek10@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> IanWhat an odyssey!!extraordinary perseveranceH
uzzahplease keep us posted.
>
> Best,
>
> Fred
>
>> On May 19, 2019, at 5:21 AM, Ian Cook <iancook_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I operate the only Extended Wing Europa with a LAA Permit in the UK, G-CB
HI. I can change back and forth between XS and Extended Wings with no proble
m, and use an enclosed trailer built specially in Germany for the mono exten
ded wings. It is shown in the corner of the hangar while I was rigging the m
achine last winter. It did take a long time to get the Permit, starting in 2
009 completed in 2018.
>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Ian Cook
>
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| Subject: | Re: Motorglider Wings? |
Ian,
You have earned a special place in aviators heaven!
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (130 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP, Hercules Prop.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On May 19, 2019, at 7:21 AM, Ian Cook <IanCook_1@hotmail.com> wrote:
Clive,
I operate the only Extended Wing Europa with a LAA Permit in the UK, G-CBHI.
I can change back and forth between XS and Extended Wings with no problem,
and use an enclosed trailer built specially in Germany for the mono extended
wings. It is shown in the corner of the hangar while I was rigging the machine
last winter. It did take a long time to get the Permit, starting in 2009 completed
in 2018. The main reasons for the delay were the spar failing when it was
plugged into the fuselage for a max structural test at 50 degrees C, hence mod
78. Standing the fuselage next to the hot autoclave full of fuel causing the
tank to swell needing a tank change. Both items needed LAA approved repair
schemes before the work was completed taking almost 3 years. The LAA then insisted
on full spinning trials, over 80 in all. The machine was landed wheels up
during this flight trails work taking a further 2 years to complete. After this
they wanted a warning system for U/C /airbrakes, a stall warning system. Also
there were issues on how to clear it. As a motor glider, touring motor glider
or SEP? It did not correctly fit into any of the categories or design requirements.
Also written confirmation of the structural clearances for airbrakes
flying controls etc was required. A correctly approved Pilots Operating Handbook
and audit trail for all the clearance was required from Swift Aviation who
had taken over engineering and design approval. It was found the existing XS stall
warning did not work correctly on the different wing profile of the extended
wing, as the machine could now fly very slowly 45 to 50 knot, having a stall
warning going off all the time was just not acceptable. All this added further
years, and to cap it all, it got damaged in stormy weather last year when
a canopy cover tie broke and managed to undo the canopy handle and remove the
door. A further repair scheme was required for this, as all the previous door
losses had occurred in flight and were total losses. I have to thank Swift Aviation
for !
their su
pport last year when they were moving their home base from Yorkshire to Coltishall
and had so much on. We still do not have the increase in all up mass yet and
have a limited C of G, but I am still optimistic that these will come, but
further flight trials will be required. However, just in case that drags on I
am doing a weight reduction exercise at the moment getting rid of lead acid batteries,
vacuum system and gyro instrument etc giving me an extra 20 kg off the
basic hull weight.
Best regards
Ian Cook
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Sent: 19 May 2019 11:16
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Motorglider Wings?
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| Subject: | Re: Outrigger Pivot Bearing Mod (10661 v2) (UK) |
Hi Dave,
I promised you a reply, and sorry it's taken so long. Family life has been a bit
time consuming, I have imminent twins due (well not me, but my wife to be precise
[Laughing] ) and the preparations have left little "aviation time".
I checked through and found these guys as a source: Southern Temperature Sensors
Ltd. via their ebay page for, presumably scrap sell off. Link below.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/316-stainless-steel-seamless-tubing-400mm-length-IMPERIAL-DIMENSIONS/221654922519?hash=item339ba9b517:m:mxqFEaGxEpPcvF6OLrr0v8w
You're welcome to some of mine, I have about 700mm in stock, however looking at
the prices on the ebay page, it would be cheaper than the postage for you to
get it directly, and I can't commit to when I can get to the hangar next.
Best
Jon
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