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1. 12:20 AM - Re: Mono ground handling (Remi Guerner)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/08/19 (crouton)
3. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Mono ground handling (Fred Klein)
4. 04:07 PM - Re: Sources for Radiator and Oil Cooler (n7188u)
5. 10:28 PM - XS .....cockpit module , mono wheel and tyre all for sale reasonable offers Grimsby Area. (Bob Harrison)
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| Subject: | Re: Mono ground handling |
Fred,
I fully agree with David's response. My XS mono c of g is at 57.56 and that works
fine. It allows to carry full fuel, including the long range tank, with lots
of bags. As I am a lightweight pilot, I need a really big passenger to exceed
the forward limit with low fuel and no bags.
Of course the aircraft is more stable in the air with a forward c of g. Regarding
the effect of C of G on ground handling, it is a little bit easier with forward
c of g.
Regards
Remi
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 06/08/19 |
Fred,
While I concur that in order to accommodate the 1 light pilot, full fuel, heavy
bag-bay loading (which was my airplanes condition), a forward CG is necessary,
I caution that stick back on the ground and landing tailwheel first is the thing
which will keep you out of trouble.
Also, remember the Europas ailerons are very powerful and you must never start
a takeoff with full aileron into the crosswind. In this condition, right at liftoff,
the upwind wing will stall and the airplane will snap 30deg.
It is hard to unlearn the hard-won taildragger skills, but trust the outriggers
and use a finger-width of aileron.
Keep the tailwheel on the ground.
Creighton Smith. A009
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> 1. 11:01 AM - Mono ground handling (Fred Klein)
> 2. 01:05 PM - Re: Mono ground handling (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
> 3. 01:46 PM - Re: Mono ground handling (Fred Klein)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
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> Time: 11:01:13 AM PST US
> From: Fred Klein <freddythek10@gmail.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Mono ground handling
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> Mono Gents,
>
> Im looking for recommendations regarding location of C of G and its affect on
ground
> handling, particularly during landing roll out on a hard surface runway
> in the hands of an experienced taildragger pilot, soon to become a newbie mono-driver.
>
> Im fully aware of the content of Section 6 - Weight and Balance, of the Owners
> manualincluding, of course, the recommendation for the restricted C of G envelope
> for first flight.
>
> My principal question is: Within that restricted envelope, what has been learned
> about whether the optimum C of G location would favor the forward limit?or the
> aft limit?
>
> Comments most appreciated,
>
> Fred
>
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> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
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> Time: 01:05:03 PM PST US
> From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono ground handling
>
>
> Fred, For me the important thing is that your c of g should allow any
> realistic loading without putting the c of g out of limits, that is with
> one v light pilot and full fuel and luggage and also heavy pilots and
> little fuel and luggage. That requires a fairly forward c of g, which
> for me worked out at 58.83". I believe but have no proof that a forward
> c of g will also help ground stability by minimising the tendency for
> the tail to keep swinging outwards once a turn is started. I achieved my
> 'ideal' c of g by adding 3 lbs of lead bolted in front of the stern
> post.
>
> Best of luck, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
>> On 2019-06-08 19:00, Fred Klein wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mono Gents,
>>
>> I'm looking for recommendations regarding location of C of G and its affect
on
> ground handling, particularly during landing roll out on a hard surface runway
> in the hands of an experienced taildragger pilot, soon to become a newbie mono-driver.
>>
>> I'm fully aware of the content of Section 6 - Weight and Balance, of the Owner's
> manual...including, of course, the recommendation for the restricted C of
> G envelope for first flight.
>>
>> My principal question is: Within that restricted envelope, what has been learned
> about whether the optimum C of G location would favor the forward limit...?...or
> the aft limit...?...
>>
>> Comments most appreciated,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>
>
> Links:
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> [1] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
> [2] http://forums.matronics.com
> [3] http://wiki.matronics.com
> [4] http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
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> Time: 01:46:39 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono ground handling
> From: Fred Klein <freddythek10@gmail.com>
>
> Great feedback David...thanks mucho!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 1:04 PM, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>>
>> Fred, For me the important thing is that your c of g should allow any real
> istic loading without putting the c of g out of limits, that is with one v l
> ight pilot and full fuel and luggage and also heavy pilots and little fuel a
> nd luggage. That requires a fairly forward c of g, which for me worked out a
> t 58.83=9D. I believe but have no proof that a forward c of g will als
> o help ground stability by minimising the tendency for the tail to keep swin
> ging outwards once a turn is started. I achieved my =98ideal=99 c
> of g by adding 3 lbs of lead bolted in front of the stern post.
>>
>> Best of luck, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2019-06-08 19:00, Fred Klein wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mono Gents,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for recommendations regarding location of C of G and its affe
> ct on ground handling, particularly during landing roll out on a hard surfac
> e runway in the hands of an experienced taildragger pilot, soon to become a n
> ewbie mono-driver.
>>>
>>> I'm fully aware of the content of Section 6 - Weight and Balance, of the O
> wner's manual...including, of course, the recommendation for the restricted C
> of G envelope for first flight.
>>>
>>> My principal question is: Within that restricted envelope, what has been l
> earned about whether the optimum C of G location would favor the forward lim
> it...?...or the aft limit...?...
>>>
>>> Comments most appreciated,
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
>>> ics.com
>>> .com
>>> .matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mono ground handling |
Remi & Creightonthank you very much for your insights and
commentsvery helpful,
Fred
> On Jun 9, 2019, at 12:19 AM, Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr>
wrote:
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> Of course the aircraft is more stable in the air with a forward c of
g. Regarding the effect of C of G on ground handling, it is a little bit
easier with forward c of g.
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| Subject: | Re: Sources for Radiator and Oil Cooler |
BTW, if anyone has a serviceable XS radiator that they want to sell let me know.
Chris
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| Subject: | XS .....cockpit module , mono wheel and tyre all for sale |
reasonable offers Grimsby Area.
Hi! All.
WE have a redundant XS cockpit module , Mono wheel and tyre also all for
sale , Grimsby area. Message me back reasonable offers, please.
Bob Harrison Tel 01472852498. 0044 ( 0)7973832741
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