---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/07/19: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:08 AM - Switch and CB labels (jglazener) 2. 05:51 AM - Reaming of spar and CM bushes (jglazener) 3. 07:00 AM - Re: Switch and CB labels (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 4. 08:02 AM - Re: Switch and CB labels (Ivor) 5. 09:09 AM - Re: Switch and CB labels (Jeff B) 6. 09:50 AM - Re: Reaming of spar and CM bushes (William Daniell) 7. 10:31 AM - Reaming of spar and CM bushes (Fred Klein) 8. 10:36 AM - Reaming of spar and CM bushes (Fred Klein) 9. 08:37 PM - Re: Reaming of spar and CM bushes (Bud Yerly) 10. 08:50 PM - Re: Switch and CB labels (Bud Yerly) 11. 10:31 PM - Re: Reaming of spar and CM bushes (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:03 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Switch and CB labels From: "jglazener" I am looking for a robust and professional looking way to label the switches and circuit breaker in the panel. I have them in a row on the bottom panel, on a carbon look background. Anybody with a good tip? -------- Jeroen http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490738#490738 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:55 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Reaming of spar and CM bushes From: "jglazener" I have finally got the wings on and the bolts in. Bit of a black art since you can't look in and have no idea what you are doing. Once the lift pins have been bonded that should at least be repeatable but I still foresee that getting the spar pins in and out easily will still be difficult. Reaming at that point, as mentioned by Ian Ricard in his instructions would be the obvious choice. Any body done this, and if so do you still have the reamer and could lend it to me? -------- Jeroen http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490739#490739 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:09 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Switch and CB labels You can print your own very satisfactory labels with a p-touch label printer. All sorts of tapes, coloured or metalised available. Not v. Expensive but you could no doubt borrow one (including mine) if you prefer. David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2019-08-07 13:07, jglazener wrote: > > I am looking for a robust and professional looking way to label the switches and circuit breaker in the panel. I have them in a row on the bottom panel, on a carbon look background. Anybody with a good tip? > > -------- > Jeroen > > http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 [1] > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490738#490738 [2] > Links: ------ [1] http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 [2] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490738#490738 [3] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [4] http://forums.matronics.com [5] http://wiki.matronics.com [6] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:04 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Switch and CB labels From: "Ivor" I also used the Brother P touch printer with white over clear works very Well with the carbon fibre look alike instrument panel, The better P touch will do most tape sizes and small graphics as well when Connected to a computer, Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490742#490742 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Switch and CB labels From: Jeff B Jeroen, Take a picture of your panel, measure your buttons center to center and bring that information to a sign guy/vinyl cutter. Have him lay it out in the font of your choosing, then cut the letters in the color of your choice, in a high quality "premium" vinyl. He'll apply transfer tape to the words for easy instillation. Or, bring the panel, if easily done, and have him install the lettering for you. Cheap and looks very professional. Wife and I do this stuff daily... Jeff N55XS Baby Blue On 8/7/2019 7:07 AM, jglazener wrote: > > I am looking for a robust and professional looking way to label the switches and circuit breaker in the panel. I have them in a row on the bottom panel, on a carbon look background. Anybody with a good tip? > > -------- > Jeroen > > http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490738#490738 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:44 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Reaming of spar and CM bushes Jeroen I would hesitate to ream spar bushes. My experience is that when the wings are in the right position the pins go in easily but when the wings are not in the right position putting the pins in is from tough to impossible. In my case the right position requires adjustment to wing position both in dihedral (tip up/down) and cord (twist) if that makes sense. The right combination results in the pins going in easily. Will William Daniell LONGPORT On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:54 AM jglazener wrote: > > I have finally got the wings on and the bolts in. Bit of a black art since > you can't look in and have no idea what you are doing. Once the lift pins > have been bonded that should at least be repeatable but I still foresee > that getting the spar pins in and out easily will still be difficult. > Reaming at that point, as mentioned by Ian Ricard in his instructions would > be the obvious choice. Any body done this, and if so do you still have the > reamer and could lend it to me? > > -------- > Jeroen > > http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490739#490739 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:37 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: Reaming of spar and CM bushes > On Aug 7, 2019, at 5:51 AM, jglazener > wrote: > > I have finally got the wings on and the bolts in. Bit of a black art since you can't look in and have no idea what you are doing. JeroenI too would caution against doing any reaming of the spar bushings. While I marvel at the ability of some who have mastered single-handed wing installation, in my personal experience I have always depended upon having helpers on each wingtip who subtly adjust both dihedral and sweep while I insert the spar pins. I also keep a tapered pin and rubber mallet handy in order to help achieve proper alignment. this works for me Fred ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:00 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: Reaming of spar and CM bushes JeroenI=99ve also found that a daub of axle grease works wondersF. > On Aug 7, 2019, at 5:51 AM, jglazener > wrote: > > I have finally got the wings on and the bolts in. Bit of a black art since you can't look in and have no idea what you are doing. JeroenI too would caution against doing any reaming of the spar bushings. While I marvel at the ability of some who have mastered single-handed wing installation, in my personal experience I have always depended upon having helpers on each wingtip who subtly adjust both dihedral and sweep while I insert the spar pins. I also keep a tapered pin and rubber mallet handy in order to help achieve proper alignment. this works for me Fred ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:07 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Reaming of spar and CM bushes Jeroen, Spar pip pins are just under .5 inches. I=92ve reamed the bushes on most o f my aircraft. I don=92t do hammers, channel lock pliers, and crowbars to rig an airplane. Pins should slide in with some effort but not be so tight , hammers must be used. Disassembly should not require wood, crowbars and vice grips. A word of caution. DON=92T OVER DO IT ON THE REAMING! If you did your initial pin alignment check with the wings off the plane an d the incidence angle on each wing perfect when you set your bushes, and yo ur bolts and sockets are nearly a zero tolerance fit, things will be pretty close. If the pins are hard to set in this position at this point, it wil l be worse in the plane. With the port wing in the fuselage, and the spar socket and incidence and s weep correct on the port wing, when you glue the cockpit bushes all should be OK, sort of. There is a very good chance that the angle of the bush in the cockpit will be just slightly off as the bolts you are using are rather sloppy at anywhere from .5 inches to .493 inches diameter depending on coa ting. The Europa supplied raw steel alignment bolt is typically at the min imum dimension. That is why I have tight fitting pip pins or bolts to set my bushes during construction so I cut down the slop as the glue dries and use extreme care to align the incidence angle and dihedral for proper align ment. Bad news: Bushings are anodized and normally right at the .5 inch diameter. The SouthCo pip pin is nominally .4985 inches. The Allen bolt pin for the starboard side is .497 to .495. Since it takes about .005 for any kind of tight slip fit, a .499 pip pin just won=92t go i n easy, ever. No amount of grease will fix that fit, and you very well may destroy the pip pin with rigging and derigging. The average hardware unco ated steel bolt used in the assembly is a bit sloppier so a clean up of any redux in the wing spar bushes and anodizing in the sockets and the alignme nt may be necessary. With the port wing rigged, and the starboard pin inserted, use a straight f lat tipped drift to check your spar to bush fit on the port side. You shou ld feel no hard lip in the cockpit to wing bush with the wing set properly in the cup at incidence. If there is a sharp edge, your bushings should be reset as you will be reaming a lot. If it is a slight detent or rough spo t, then ream it or reset the socket. Rig the other wing and support it and check the wing socket fit. It should be nearly aligned. Again use the dr ift to check, then determine if it must be reamed. Yes, ream from the cock pit, all the way through both spars. Insert the pin and check the other si de. Your plane will forever rig comfortably in only a few minutes. No fus sing and fighting unless something is not aligned right. Remember, you onl y want to ream a couple thousands not 10s of thousandths. Mic your bolts and pins, then mic your bushes. If a bush in the cockpit is off slightly either heat a bolt and insert to soften the Redux and realign (always dangerous) or carefully ream the hole with the spar inserted and w ing braced into its position so there is no bending on the fuselage or wing spars. Don=92t hit the tank with the reamer! Your own .5 reamer is handy to have, as the door shoot bolts will need a to uch up after glue in as will the washer on the port wing socket also. So b uy one. A cheap Chinese reamer will do and it only cost a couple of beers. For the cost of a case of beer, you can get a set. Reamer sets of 3/16 t o =BD inch are really handy for reaming the engine mount to 5/16 for engine install, as well as cleaning many 3/16 bolt holes, cleaning out paint from all holes, aligning poorly welded and drilled parts and the like. Get a s et and it pays for itself. Cheap sets are $20-30 and excellent sets are $8 0. Best Regards, Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations, Inc. Sent from Mail for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of William Daniell Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 12:53:16 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Reaming of spar and CM bushes Jeroen I would hesitate to ream spar bushes. My experience is that when the wings are in the right position the pins go in easily but when the wings are not in the right position putting the pins in is from tough to impossible. In my case the right position requires adjustment to wing position both in di hedral (tip up/down) and cord (twist) if that makes sense. The right combi nation results in the pins going in easily. Will William Daniell LONGPORT On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:54 AM jglazener > wrote: to:j.glazener14@gmail.com>> I have finally got the wings on and the bolts in. Bit of a black art since you can't look in and have no idea what you are doing. Once the lift pins h ave been bonded that should at least be repeatable but I still foresee that getting the spar pins in and out easily will still be difficult. Reaming a t that point, as mentioned by Ian Ricard in his instructions would be the obvious choice. Any body done this, and if so do you still have the reamer and could lend it to me? -------- Jeroen http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490739#490739 pa-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Europa-List FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com WIKI - errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:28 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Switch and CB labels Another way is to use a dry transfer label kit. I use a full system from Decal Pro FX. I print off my sheet on Excel and t hen follow the instructions and transfer the lettering. Does a nice job an d when coated with a clear coat is dead flat will last forever. For a one off airplane, it=92s kind of expensive. I=92ve done the clear label maker tape. Not as professional but it works f airly well if it sticks and has no air bubbles under it. Silk screening is excellent also and some higher quality sign shops like Je ff and Mary=92s can do very good work as he will use thin vinyl and for a r easonable price. The sign shop labels can be coated with clear and will st ick forever also. Note: Clear coat has to be put on very thin or it will lift any tape. Put a dust coat on first and let it really tack, then another thin coat, then a final coat. Looks great and is tough enough to take wear and tear. It is your custom aircraft, do what you like best. Best Regards, Bud Yerly Sent from Mail for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jeff B Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 12:07:34 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Switch and CB labels Jeroen, Take a picture of your panel, measure your buttons center to center and bring that information to a sign guy/vinyl cutter. Have him lay it out in the font of your choosing, then cut the letters in the color of your choice, in a high quality "premium" vinyl. He'll apply transfer tape to the words for easy instillation. Or, bring the panel, if easily done, and have him install the lettering for you. Cheap and looks very professional. Wife and I do this stuff daily... Jeff N55XS Baby Blue On 8/7/2019 7:07 AM, jglazener wrote: > > I am looking for a robust and professional looking way to label the switc hes and circuit breaker in the panel. I have them in a row on the bottom pa nel, on a carbon look background. Anybody with a good tip? > > -------- > Jeroen > > http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490738#490738 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:15 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Reaming of spar and CM bushes Budyou mention the use of the SouthCo pip pin on the port side and the Allen bolt pin on starboard. Do you know the reason for using different types of pins here? Is there any downside to using SouthCo pip pins both port and starboard?seems I=99ve heard that some builders have done so. Fred > On Aug 7, 2019, at 8:35 PM, Bud Yerly wrote: > > The SouthCo pip pin is nominally .4985 inches. > The Allen bolt pin for the starboard side is .497 to .495. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.