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Thu 08/08/19


Total Messages Posted: 6



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     1. 06:43 AM - Re: Reaming of spar and CM bushes (Bud Yerly)
     2. 07:50 AM - Re: Europa Trailer specifications (tennant)
     3. 08:22 AM - Re: fuel odor in the cockpit (diamond)
     4. 01:44 PM - Autopilot GPS connection (Europa48)
     5. 02:49 PM - Re: Autopilot GPS connection (Jeff B)
     6. 02:51 PM - Re: Autopilot GPS connection (Europa48)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:43:02 AM PST US
    From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Reaming of spar and CM bushes
    One more thing. As Fred Klein reminded me, use of a tapered pin for initial alignment of th e wings, especially during the build is critical. Most of us still use a taper pin (especially in cold weather, or when wing gap seals are renewed and the wing is held proud. I just bought another st arboard wing pin and ground it to a taper. For many, rigging is aided by doing the following: 1. With the slightly smaller diameter of the starboard now tapered pin, one can rig the port wing into the socket and support the port wing to reli eve stress on the socket. Insert the taper pin in the port socket to =93nu rse=94 the wing in tight and aligned and then put in the starboard pin with ease. 2. Withdraw the taper pin from the port side, as no harm can be done or sockets overstressed as the port wing is installed into its lift sockets. 3. Rig the starboard wing, using the taper pin, seat the taper pin home in the port side. 4. Seat the starboard pin now fully. 5. Support the starboard wing to relieve the socket from added stress wi th a good helper or a padded saw horse on the spar as you did on the port. Insert the pip pin into the port side securing the wing completely. Personally, 12AY being a Classic had many miss-alignment opportunities. Ov er the last 12 years with 12AY, I have not had to use a taper pin to rig. But I do bring saw horses so as not to overstress my rigging helper or sock ets. I also pull my wings 2-3 times a year for inspection or minor mods I make so proper alignment is necessary. The wing rig on my plane is a no br ainer. But it took time. Best Regards, Bud Yerly Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr onics.com> on behalf of Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 11:35:13 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Reaming of spar and CM bushes Jeroen, Spar pip pins are just under .5 inches. I=92ve reamed the bushes on most o f my aircraft. I don=92t do hammers, channel lock pliers, and crowbars to rig an airplane. Pins should slide in with some effort but not be so tight , hammers must be used. Disassembly should not require wood, crowbars and vice grips. A word of caution. DON=92T OVER DO IT ON THE REAMING! If you did your initial pin alignment check with the wings off the plane an d the incidence angle on each wing perfect when you set your bushes, and yo ur bolts and sockets are nearly a zero tolerance fit, things will be pretty close. If the pins are hard to set in this position at this point, it wil l be worse in the plane. With the port wing in the fuselage, and the spar socket and incidence and s weep correct on the port wing, when you glue the cockpit bushes all should be OK, sort of. There is a very good chance that the angle of the bush in the cockpit will be just slightly off as the bolts you are using are rather sloppy at anywhere from .5 inches to .493 inches diameter depending on coa ting. The Europa supplied raw steel alignment bolt is typically at the min imum dimension. That is why I have tight fitting pip pins or bolts to set my bushes during construction so I cut down the slop as the glue dries and use extreme care to align the incidence angle and dihedral for proper align ment. Bad news: Bushings are anodized and normally right at the .5 inch diameter. The SouthCo pip pin is nominally .4985 inches. The Allen bolt pin for the starboard side is .497 to .495. Since it takes about .005 for any kind of tight slip fit, a .499 pip pin just won=92t go i n easy, ever. No amount of grease will fix that fit, and you very well may destroy the pip pin with rigging and derigging. The average hardware unco ated steel bolt used in the assembly is a bit sloppier so a clean up of any redux in the wing spar bushes and anodizing in the sockets and the alignme nt may be necessary. With the port wing rigged, and the starboard pin inserted, use a straight f lat tipped drift to check your spar to bush fit on the port side. You shou ld feel no hard lip in the cockpit to wing bush with the wing set properly in the cup at incidence. If there is a sharp edge, your bushings should be reset as you will be reaming a lot. If it is a slight detent or rough spo t, then ream it or reset the socket. Rig the other wing and support it and check the wing socket fit. It should be nearly aligned. Again use the dr ift to check, then determine if it must be reamed. Yes, ream from the cock pit, all the way through both spars. Insert the pin and check the other si de. Your plane will forever rig comfortably in only a few minutes. No fus sing and fighting unless something is not aligned right. Remember, you onl y want to ream a couple thousands not 10s of thousandths. Mic your bolts and pins, then mic your bushes. If a bush in the cockpit is off slightly either heat a bolt and insert to soften the Redux and realign (always dangerous) or carefully ream the hole with the spar inserted and w ing braced into its position so there is no bending on the fuselage or wing spars. Don=92t hit the tank with the reamer! Your own .5 reamer is handy to have, as the door shoot bolts will need a to uch up after glue in as will the washer on the port wing socket also. So b uy one. A cheap Chinese reamer will do and it only cost a couple of beers. For the cost of a case of beer, you can get a set. Reamer sets of 3/16 t o =BD inch are really handy for reaming the engine mount to 5/16 for engine install, as well as cleaning many 3/16 bolt holes, cleaning out paint from all holes, aligning poorly welded and drilled parts and the like. Get a s et and it pays for itself. Cheap sets are $20-30 and excellent sets are $8 0. Best Regards, Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations, Inc. Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Window s 10 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr onics.com> on behalf of William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 12:53:16 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Reaming of spar and CM bushes Jeroen I would hesitate to ream spar bushes. My experience is that when the wings are in the right position the pins go in easily but when the wings are not in the right position putting the pins in is from tough to impossible. In my case the right position requires adjustment to wing position both in di hedral (tip up/down) and cord (twist) if that makes sense. The right combi nation results in the pins going in easily. Will William Daniell LONGPORT On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:54 AM jglazener <j.glazener14@gmail.com<mailto:j.g lazener14@gmail.com>> wrote: to:j.glazener14@gmail.com>> I have finally got the wings on and the bolts in. Bit of a black art since you can't look in and have no idea what you are doing. Once the lift pins h ave been bonded that should at least be repeatable but I still foresee that getting the spar pins in and out easily will still be difficult. Reaming a t that point, as mentioned by Ian Ricard in his instructions would be the obvious choice. Any body done this, and if so do you still have the reamer and could lend it to me? -------- Jeroen http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490739#490739 pa-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Europa-List FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com WIKI - errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 07:50:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Europa Trailer specifications
    From: "tennant" <barrington.tennant@gmail.com>
    Hi John, Is it a Mono trailer? If so, I have the German registration and test documents somewhere in my files that I could pull out for you. I had more problems getting the trailer tested & registered than the plane!! Barry Tennant -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490762#490762


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    Time: 08:22:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: fuel odor in the cockpit
    From: "diamond" <emanu@gmx.fr>
    Many thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490764#490764


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    Time: 01:44:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Autopilot GPS connection
    From: "Europa48" <corinthian@me.com>
    I am looking for some assistance in getting my autopilot to connect to the GPS. My new Europa has a Trio EZ Pilot control head connected to a Bendix Honeywell AV8OR GPS. The GPS is connected to the EZ Pilot by a mini B usb to serial lead, which in turn has two wires to the EZ pilot data feed and earth. I have followed Honeywells instructions on setting up the GPS but have found two conflicting sets of instructions, one saying use 4800 baud and the other 9600 baud. I have tried both settings but still the EZ pilot sys "No GPS" on booting up. Any clues from a fellow AV8OR user please? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490767#490767 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2oafwcpercentthucc4qarcfx4a_700.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/r9fr2jd3tqyuxg2wcryhq_200.jpg


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    Time: 02:49:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Autopilot GPS connection
    From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
    I've had only one encounter with Trio and the tech guy/CEO of the company had my problem worked out in a couple of minutes. Why not give them a call and see what they can do? Jeff N55XS Baby Blue On 8/8/2019 3:44 PM, Europa48 wrote: > > I am looking for some assistance in getting my autopilot to connect to the GPS. > > My new Europa has a Trio EZ Pilot control head connected to a Bendix Honeywell AV8OR GPS. > > The GPS is connected to the EZ Pilot by a mini B usb to serial lead, which in turn has two wires to the EZ pilot data feed and earth. > > I have followed Honeywells instructions on setting up the GPS but have found two conflicting sets of instructions, one saying use 4800 baud and the other 9600 baud. I have tried both settings but still the EZ pilot sys "No GPS" on booting up. > > Any clues from a fellow AV8OR user please? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490767#490767 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/2oafwcpercentthucc4qarcfx4a_700.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/r9fr2jd3tqyuxg2wcryhq_200.jpg > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:51:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Autopilot GPS connection
    From: "Europa48" <corinthian@me.com>
    Thanks Wilco. David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490769#490769




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