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1. 04:26 AM - Re: Mogas ethanol and non treated tanks (h&jeuropa)
2. 04:38 AM - Re: Europa monowheel instrument panel cad drawing (h&jeuropa)
3. 05:58 AM - Re: UK pilots - online GAR submission being trialled (Richard Scanlan)
4. 06:40 AM - Re: Europa monowheel instrument panel cad drawing (n7188u)
5. 06:58 AM - Re: of interest (n7188u)
6. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: of interest (Fred Klein)
7. 08:32 AM - Re: of interest (n7188u)
8. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: of interest (Graham Singleton)
9. 09:07 AM - Re: of interest (n7188u)
10. 09:39 AM - Re: Europa monowheel instrument panel cad drawing (Rowland Carson)
11. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Mogas ethanol and non treated tanks (William Daniell)
12. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Mogas ethanol and non treated tanks (William Daniell)
13. 10:41 AM - Mod 60 fuel sender - linearised? (graeme bird)
14. 12:00 PM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Re:_Mogas_ethanol_and_non_treated_tanks? ()
15. 06:40 PM - Re: Europa monowheel instrument panel cad drawing (Rich)
16. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: Europa monowheel instrument panel cad drawing (Brad Shafer)
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| Subject: | Re: Mogas ethanol and non treated tanks |
Will,
You can search on this list for "fuel tank fluoride" to learn about the problem.
Your kit should be new enough to have the treated tank.
Look at Custom Flight Creations website for tips on supporting the tank.
We run nothing but Mogas and no problems in 1000 hours.
Jim & Heather
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel instrument panel cad drawing |
Rich,
Try these. In my Europa I extended the pilot panel vertically and horizontally
so this drawing may be too big but the curve is correct. I'm not sure if this
dxf is the original or my changed panel. Just make a plastic overlay using
the file and see.
Jim
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/radiopanl_415.dxf
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| Subject: | Re: UK pilots - online GAR submission being trialled |
Thanks Roland,
A couple of general questions for the wiser ones amongst you.
I live in Portugal and the last time I left the Uk from Dunsfold, I was grilled
a bit from customs at Biggin for not filing a GAR to LEAVE the Uk.
With SkyDemon, GAR should automatically be generated when you submit the flight-plan,
but Im not 100% certain this can be relied on. Back it up with same info
via this service?
Richard
103 Mono
Sent from my iPad
> On 20 Jul 2019, at 14:06, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> In case UK pilots have not seen the announcement, I report that the UK Border
Force are running a trial of an online GAR form submission system.
>
> You can register at:
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> https://www.submit-general-aviation-report.service.gov.uk/welcome/index
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> Its a 2-stage process - first confirm your e-mail address and then get a ID (=password)
for logging in.
>
> Im not ready to use such a system yet myself (maybe by next year!), but it looks
very promising & hassle-saving.
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel instrument panel cad drawing |
Richard,
I modeled the panel module for my mono in SolidWorks and created what I want to
be the panel in my airplane. I have printed the panels full size and checked
them in my module for fit (and adjusted as necessary). As it can be appreciated
in the picture, I am going for a different panel arrangement than traditionally
used. I am looking for a VFR only panel at this point.
I am not going to use the IFD-NET instruments shown in the picture since they have
proven not ready for prime time when I tried to install (read wasted my time)
them in my LongEZ (too bad since it is a great concept with descent hardware,
they just don't know what they are doing from a software standpoint).
I can provide DXF but please note that my panels are subdivided in subpanels. I
am doing this because I think it looks neat but also because I want to modify
things often and rather have a number of smaller panels to change. I am also
going to individually connectorize each panel to make removal easier (like airliners
do).
Anyway, let me know if interested in the dxf. I will need a few days to get to
the computer and convert to dxf. I can also do a dxf of the entire module so that
you can convert the modular panels into larger panels as in the original Europa.
Warning: don't trust the fiberglass instrument panel module model, it's just an
approximation of the real one. The panels themself are accurate, not the module.
Regards,
Chris
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Freddy,
Thanks for the Arnold video. Found it really inspiring, to the point I am now reading
Hoerner's book on drag reduction.
I will not go crazy with this project but I am planning on leaving my Europa light
and ugly at the beginning to be able to experiment with it a little.
And no, I don't think I will have the patience to profile the wings down to .003"
as Arnold did in the AR5. Impressive!!!
I have so far not modified anything important in the interest of weight reduction
(except for the cockpit module lower corner longitudinal straps which required
100 pounds of epoxy to fill the gap to the fuselage shell so they were appropriately
modified to make them fit better). I think that eventually I want to
play a little with the cowling (just can't stand the way the doghouse looks
in such a neat curvy plane), cooling drag and interference drag between the wings
and fuselage (and the usual gap sealing stuff). I know some people have done
a lot of work on those areas so the reading will be fun.
I really want to see what can be done weight wise. Although I have not weighted
it all together, the components feel heavy. The wings in particular! I just added
the aileron mass balances and OMG! (Although I think a lot of that weight
will come off when I paint and adjust, still).
Anyway, thanks for the reference on the video.
Regards,
Chris
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> On Aug 13, 2019, at 6:57 AM, n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com
<mailto:chmgarb@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
<mailto:chmgarb@gmail.com>>
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> Freddy,
>
> Thanks for the Arnold video. Found it really inspiring, to the point I
am now reading Hoerner's book on drag reduction.
>
> I will not go crazy with this project but I am planning on leaving my
Europa light and ugly at the beginning to be able to experiment with it
a little.
>
> And no, I don't think I will have the patience to profile the wings
down to .003" as Arnold did in the AR5. Impressive!!!
ChrisThat photo of the =9Cracing Lancair=9D
prompted me to revisit Mike Arnold=99s workI=99d
purchased his original VCR tapes years ago. Mr. Google led me to his
youtube site and all of the follow-on videosvery sad to learn
of his passing in 2015.
I am dazzled by your builder=99s log and the pace at which you are
proceeding with your build. Although one of my mantras is =9Cto
manage the degree of novelty=9D, I=99ve found I am simply a
lousy manager as notions as simple of wanting to =9Cimprove=9D
the aesthetics of =9Cthe doghouse=9D have led mesome
would sayastray.
Best,
Freddy
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Thanks for the reply Freddy.
I am happy about progress but it is coming at a price: I am not doing much of anything
besides work and then building airplane :) My poor family has been extremely
patient I have to say!. But to me getting home and working on the plane
is a form of therapy so my wife understands and lets me work :)
It may not sound like from my posting but I am also incredibly lazy when it comes
to modifying. I have done very little of that in my Europa because I want to
finish it quickly. But since I have two other airplanes I can fly (a LongEZ
and a Kolb firestar) I am going to leave the Europa on primer and use up leftover
materials to do small changes here and there (mostly aesthetics and drag related).
I've been told that once you finish a project like this you crave missing
some epoxy and doing something. So making little improvements may be a fun
hobby after the build is finished.
My biggest concern is weight. I want to keep it light so let's see what weight
I get when I finish. If light enough I may try drag improvements but if heavy
I may refrain from adding anything to it.
Chris
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Chris
If its heavy, drag reduction will help! Gaps, holes and wing root fillets arent
heavy. A showroom paint job will be heavy and wonr reduce drag much. I put Jim
Price VGs on my Long EZ and low speed handling was fabulous. Not much loss of
cruise speed either.
Most important thing on a Europa is the leading edge of the wing. Classics tend
to be less accurate and some have questionable stall behaviour. (Mine bit me!
)
Graham
> On 13 Aug 2019, at 16:32, n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks for the reply Freddy.
>
> I am happy about progress but it is coming at a price: I am not doing much of
anything besides work and then building airplane :) My poor family has been extremely
patient I have to say!. But to me getting home and working on the plane
is a form of therapy so my wife understands and lets me work :)
>
> It may not sound like from my posting but I am also incredibly lazy when it comes
to modifying. I have done very little of that in my Europa because I want
to finish it quickly. But since I have two other airplanes I can fly (a LongEZ
and a Kolb firestar) I am going to leave the Europa on primer and use up leftover
materials to do small changes here and there (mostly aesthetics and drag
related). I've been told that once you finish a project like this you crave missing
some epoxy and doing something. So making little improvements may be a
fun hobby after the build is finished.
>
> My biggest concern is weight. I want to keep it light so let's see what weight
I get when I finish. If light enough I may try drag improvements but if heavy
I may refrain from adding anything to it.
>
> Chris
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490839#490839
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Good points Graham and will probably do the items you mention.
I am planning to paint only stabs, ailerons and maybe flaps white so I can balance
before first flight and not worry afterwards if I paint the whole plane. The
rest will be primer and thin coat of sealer. This was a Lancair builder center
did with their planes (Evolutions) we had here at our field.
I used to fly a longEZ with VGs and it flew nice but I kept breaking them when
I handled the plane or cleaned it so my current one has none (and a GU canard!).
But my EZ flies great, very docile and the canard stalls at 58 knts so no complains.
yes, it will pitch down in rain (or not take off in rain and heavy)
but I don't fly in rain often.
Regarding the wing LE, how can you ensure it has the correct profile? Are there
coordinates for this airfoil? Even with the coordinates it sounds that it would
be challenging to ensure the entire span is accurate or do you check at some
discrete span points and then ensure the thing is fairly smooth in between?
Regards,
Chris.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel instrument panel cad drawing |
On 2019-08-13, at 02:31, Rich <rick46@telus.net> wrote:
> I've searched the forums high and low for a cad drawing of
a Monowheel instrument panel blank. I did come across one drawing and
downloaded, but was unusable for me.
> I've cut several 0.080" aluminum panels for certified aircraft on my
cnc router and would now like to cut a panel for the Europa Monowheel.
> If someone has gone to the trouble of all the trial fitting of paper
or hardboard test blanks and might wish to share their .dxf or .ai file
would be greatly appreciated!
> My preferred design and toolpathing software is Rhinocad and can
utilize a variety of file types if .dxf or .ai isn't available to be
shared. Any help or suggestions much appreciated.
Richard - I=99m attaching a some DXF & PDF files to this message.
Not sure how Matronics will treat them, but if they don=99t get
through or you have any problems opening/reading them please get back to
me & I=99ll send them direct to you. I use CADintosh (and
occasionally TurboCAD Mac) but both seem to play nicely with .DXF files.
One set is of the main panel and one is of the radio panel. I used the
DXF file of the radio panel to have the factory-supplied blank water-jet
cut by a local firm, and the PDFs of both panels to have the legends
laser-etched by another outfit (after black-anodising by a 3rd company).
I believe in USA one can find one-stop shops for all that.
The radio panel .DXF export is only the basic layer - if you want the
full layout with instrument holes etc please ask.
You can see some of the results at:
http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/water_jet_cut.php
http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/radio_panel_populated.
php
Hope this is of some use.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Mogas ethanol and non treated tanks |
Jim
thanks - is your's a 914? (Not relevant to the tank issue but relevant to
detonation)
I spoke to Bud yesterday and he uses 100LL + TCP but agreed with you that I
could run premium mogas.
I did the Yerly tank supporting mod - supporting the forward lower edge,
corner and tunnel edge of the tank and filling the gap underneath the tank
with aerosol foam. Fingers crossed.
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:29 AM h&jeuropa <butcher43@att.net> wrote:
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> Will,
>
> You can search on this list for "fuel tank fluoride" to learn about the
> problem.
>
> Your kit should be new enough to have the treated tank.
>
> Look at Custom Flight Creations website for tips on supporting the tank.
>
> We run nothing but Mogas and no problems in 1000 hours.
>
> Jim & Heather
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490823#490823
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mogas ethanol and non treated tanks |
PS do we know which year the floride started?
William Daniell
LONGPORT
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:29 AM h&jeuropa <butcher43@att.net> wrote:
>
> Will,
>
> You can search on this list for "fuel tank fluoride" to learn about the
> problem.
>
> Your kit should be new enough to have the treated tank.
>
> Look at Custom Flight Creations website for tips on supporting the tank.
>
> We run nothing but Mogas and no problems in 1000 hours.
>
> Jim & Heather
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490823#490823
>
>
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| Subject: | Mod 60 fuel sender - linearised? |
Ive now got fuel in the new build, enough to check the resistance of the sender
installed. It seems to go from 0 ohms when empty to 63 ohms with 30 litres in
and has gone from 21 to 44 in steps, so I assume as the float goes up switches
are opening and resistors are switched in.
My questions are
a) if it shows eight steps are the switches arranged so as to cater for the odd
shape of the europa tank or is it non linear?
b) can anyone confirm what the gauge ought to be ?
--------
Graeme Bird
Kit 2 in build, Mono Classic 912;
Kit 1 G-UMPY - Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S, Woodcomp SR3000/3W CS, trutrak Gemini
2 axis AP, PAW, PFLARM, ads-b out, 8.33khz, mode S, FP-5, Aera500, SD on Nexus,
Smart A3
380 hours, 980t
g(@)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel instrument panel cad drawing |
Thank you Jim, Chris and Rowland. I am quite amazed the responses I have received
from you all of you!
As you mentioned in your reply Rowland, in the US I expect there may be one
stop services for panel cutting, painting and etching services.
Fortunately I don't live in the US, but rather in British Columbia, Canada...
where things are not always so convenient.
I've downloaded your .dxf files and look very good Rowland. No segmented curves!
Though we in Canada are supposed to be using the metric system of measure,
many are not...
When downloading to Rhinocad, I converted your drawings to imperial measure,
I ended up with a rather microscopic scaled version of your perfect drawing.
It appears it is time for me to become multi-lingual, so to speak and start
drawing using the metric system of measure in earnest.
I've been told by European engineering types that the metric system is far superior
to imperial and easier to use?
In any case, thank you so much for taking the time to reply and forward drawings
that I am hoping will be of great use to me.
Kind regards,
Richard
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel instrument panel cad drawing |
For my panels, I used Front Panel Express. They provide a CAD program that
can be used with the DXF file to place any holes, openings, and text on
different types of materials, thickness and colors for panels. Its really
easy to use and will price out the panel right in the software. My main
panel cost $150USD and arrived in about a week. Not sure how they ship to
locations outside of the US.
I attached 2 JPEGs with pics of my panels in their software, really pics of
the panels, and the dxf files for those same panels. Mine is a trigear so
the panel isn't going to work for a Mono but it shows some other options.
Hope this helps.
Brad
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
<owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:40 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa monowheel instrument panel cad drawing
Thank you Jim, Chris and Rowland. I am quite amazed the responses I have
received from you all of you!
As you mentioned in your reply Rowland, in the US I expect there may be
one stop services for panel cutting, painting and etching services.
Fortunately I don't live in the US, but rather in British Columbia,
Canada... where things are not always so convenient.
I've downloaded your .dxf files and look very good Rowland. No segmented
curves! Though we in Canada are supposed to be using the metric system of
measure, many are not...
When downloading to Rhinocad, I converted your drawings to imperial
measure, I ended up with a rather microscopic scaled version of your perfect
drawing.
It appears it is time for me to become multi-lingual, so to speak and
start drawing using the metric system of measure in earnest.
I've been told by European engineering types that the metric system is
far superior to imperial and easier to use?
In any case, thank you so much for taking the time to reply and forward
drawings that I am hoping will be of great use to me.
Kind
regards, Richard
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=490855#490855
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