---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/17/19: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:42 AM - Re: Full control deflection (Alan Twigg) 2. 08:57 AM - throttle pivot sifffnut won't stay in place (Rowland Carson) 3. 11:48 AM - Re: throttle pivot sifffnut won't stay in place (Kelvin Weston) 4. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: throttle pivot sifffnut won't stay in place (William Daniell) 5. 01:34 PM - Re: Re: throttle pivot sifffnut won't stay in place (Rowland Carson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:29 AM PST US From: Alan Twigg Subject: Re: Europa-List: Full control deflection Thanks Pete, I did see some miniature actuators several years ago that one Europaphile was intending to use but heard no more. Alan Twigg Sent from my iPhone > On 16 Sep 2019, at 11:26, Pete wrote: > > > Hi Alan, > > Erichs custom outriggers fold up sideways into custom classic-foam wing carved out rebates. Not applicable to the carbon prepreg glider wings. > > Cheers, > Pete > >> On Sep 16, 2019, at 1:47 AM, Alan Twigg wrote: >> >> >> As I have a motor glider variant, I am most interested in electric outrigger details. >> Alan Twigg >> Kit 463, complete but struggling with control deflections. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 15 Sep 2019, at 19:04, Pete wrote: >>> >>> >>> Yip, Erich in vegas, beautiful mono classic with elec retract outriggers. >>> >>>> On Sep 15, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Fred Klein wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Willless flaps you saya happy option for the trip-gearIm wondering if there are any mono wheels flying with electric flaps decoupled from the LG? >>>> >>>> Fred >>>> >>>> PS: this week N194XS received its Special Airworthiness Certificateyay !! >>>> >>>>> On Sep 14, 2019, at 8:59 AM, William Daniell wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So.....my aileron deflection complies with the manual. >>>>> >>>>> Yesterday it was 27kt pretty much straight down the runway. 04FA Richards field is surrounded by trees. >>>>> i had full flaps and everything was fine until about 250ft...for the first time i used and held in (for a moment) full left aileron control deflection with the stick hard against my left knee. I have never even come close before. >>>>> >>>>> I guess next time higher , fast approach and less flaps >>>>> >>>>> Will >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> William Daniell >>>>> +1 786 878 0246 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:55 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: throttle pivot sifffnut won't stay in place Some time ago Id assembled my throttle box with a temporary plain nut on the lever pivot to get things lined up and working. Ive now got to the stage where I think its safe to fit the stiffnut (MS21042-4) on the pivot setscrew (EURO23). However, having done that and tightened it up so that the throttle lever does not slide up to full-throttle under the influence of the carb springs, as soon as I move the lever over its travel once or twice, the stiffnut starts to turn with the washers on that side of the lever and slackens off. I thought perhaps the plastic washer isnt slippery enough, so plan B, I loosened everything off enough to spread some grease on all faces of both plastic washers and tightened it up again. No improvement, the stiffnut still slackened off almost immediately. Plan C was to fit a check-nut between the stiffnut and the washer and lock them together. Alas, no matter how hard I tried to jam those 2 nuts together, they slackened off in just the same way as before. Now Ive pretty much run out of ideas - can anyone help or suggest the blindingly obvious solution that Im missing? {The engineering solution would be to have a keyway on the setscrew and tabs on both the big metal washers to engage the keyway, this ensuring that no rotational movement gets transmitted to the stiffnut or the screw . . . but that calls for special parts that might be expensive!} in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:04 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: throttle pivot sifffnut won't stay in place From: "Kelvin Weston" Hi Rowland Pictures attached. I glued the bolt into the throttle housing and made a couple of triangular plates that fitted snug into the bottom of the housing. The shape stops the plates rotating. This stops any rotation of the bolt and no rotation is transmitted to the nut. The lever rotates between plastic washers, two either side of the lever. -------- Regards Kelv Weston Kit 497 kelv@kdweston.biz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491333#491333 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/throttle_box_130.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/throttle_box_2_107.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/throttle_box_3_107.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:31 PM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: throttle pivot sifffnut won't stay in place [image: WDaniell throttle lever.jpg] William Daniell LONGPORT On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:51 PM Kelvin Weston wrote: > > Hi Rowland > > Pictures attached. > I glued the bolt into the throttle housing and made a couple of triangular > plates that fitted snug into the bottom of the housing. The shape stops > the plates rotating. > This stops any rotation of the bolt and no rotation is transmitted to the > nut. The lever rotates between plastic washers, two either side of the > lever. > > -------- > Regards > > Kelv Weston > Kit 497 > kelv@kdweston.biz > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491333#491333 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/throttle_box_130.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/throttle_box_2_107.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/throttle_box_3_107.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:42 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: throttle pivot sifffnut won't stay in place On 2019-09-17, at 19:47, Kelvin Weston wrote: > I glued the bolt into the throttle housing and made a couple of triangular plates that fitted snug into the bottom of the housing. The shape stops the plates rotating. > This stops any rotation of the bolt and no rotation is transmitted to the nut. The lever rotates between plastic washers, two either side of the lever. Kelvin - thanks, that sounds easy to do and quite obvious once you think of it! Thanks also to William - your approach is substantial and clearly effective, but I think involves too much re-work for me! in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.