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1. 08:50 AM - Re: Approved for spins? (Alan Burrill)
2. 09:19 AM - Re: Approved for spins? (Pete)
3. 10:36 AM - Re: Approved for spins? (AirEupora)
4. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Approved for spins? (Pete)
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| Subject: | Re: Approved for spins? |
For the Owners Manual page 5-14
Spinning
Intentional spinning is prohibited.
Enough said.
Alan
Sent from my iPad
> On 27 Sep 2019, at 17:35, Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
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> I realize the Europa has been tested for and has good spin recovery characteristics.
>
> Some Europa's in the US have been placarded with "intentional spins prohibited".
Is this an arbitrary restriction? Is there an official Europa Aircraft document
which restricts spins or any other 'aerobatic' manuver (I realize snap
rolls would be a bad idea)? I have not yet found anything on the co's website.
>
> Here in Canada spins are to be demonstrated by the instructor as part of our
PPL (we used to be tested on them too, but that has been removed from the syllabus),
and one can obtain training in one's own homebuilt. So thus my question
about spins.
>
> Many thanks,
> Pete
> #A239 xs (still parts)
> #120 classic (new owner)
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| Subject: | Re: Approved for spins? |
Thx. Hmmmmm...i wonder why, since the design is so well spin proven and even proudly
shouted from the treetops in the original europa promotion video?
Seems to be quite the waste.
Cheers and thx.
> On Sep 28, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote:
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> For the Owners Manual page 5-14
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> Spinning
> Intentional spinning is prohibited.
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> Enough said.
>
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 27 Sep 2019, at 17:35, Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> I realize the Europa has been tested for and has good spin recovery characteristics.
>>
>> Some Europa's in the US have been placarded with "intentional spins prohibited".
Is this an arbitrary restriction? Is there an official Europa Aircraft document
which restricts spins or any other 'aerobatic' manuver (I realize snap
rolls would be a bad idea)? I have not yet found anything on the co's website.
>>
>> Here in Canada spins are to be demonstrated by the instructor as part of our
PPL (we used to be tested on them too, but that has been removed from the syllabus),
and one can obtain training in one's own homebuilt. So thus my question
about spins.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Pete
>> #A239 xs (still parts)
>> #120 classic (new owner)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Approved for spins? |
Spinning
Intentional spinning is prohibited.
Both the proof-of-concept (P.O.C..) aircraft G-YURO and the kit prototype G-ELSA
have been extensively spin tested, up to 12 turns, and found to have excellent
spin recovery with standard spin recovery techniques. Both aircraft were also
found to recover satisfactorily from fully developed spins by removing both
hands and feet from the controls depending on trim setting.
However, due to builder differences, individual kit aircraft may not exhibit the
same spin characteristics as our prototypes. The prototype aircraft have a developed
spin rate (after 3 turns) of approximately 180 per second with a 60 nose
down attitude.
If a spin is inadvertently entered;
Close the throttle.
Retract flaps if deployed
Full rudder against direction of spin.
Slight pause.
Stick forward to neutral.
Centralise rudder as spin stops.
Recover from dive to a climbing attitude, applying power as the nose passes above
the horizon.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491502#491502
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| Subject: | Re: Approved for spins? |
Cool thx, i did read that after i dug out the POH from the goodie pile that came
with 120.
Cheers and thx,
Pete
Ps - in canada aerobatic maneuvers once demonstrated are legal...wise or not.
> On Sep 28, 2019, at 1:35 PM, AirEupora <AirEupora@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Spinning
>
> Intentional spinning is prohibited.
>
> Both the proof-of-concept (P.O.C..) aircraft G-YURO and the kit prototype G-ELSA
have been extensively spin tested, up to 12 turns, and found to have excellent
spin recovery with standard spin recovery techniques. Both aircraft were
also found to recover satisfactorily from fully developed spins by removing both
hands and feet from the controls depending on trim setting.
>
> However, due to builder differences, individual kit aircraft may not exhibit
the same spin characteristics as our prototypes. The prototype aircraft have a
developed spin rate (after 3 turns) of approximately 180 per second with a 60
nose down attitude.
>
> If a spin is inadvertently entered;
>
> Close the throttle.
> Retract flaps if deployed
>
>
> Full rudder against direction of spin.
> Slight pause.
> Stick forward to neutral.
> Centralise rudder as spin stops.
> Recover from dive to a climbing attitude, applying power as the nose passes
above the horizon.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491502#491502
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