---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/28/19: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:50 AM - Re: Approved for spins? (Alan Burrill) 2. 09:19 AM - Re: Approved for spins? (Pete) 3. 10:36 AM - Re: Approved for spins? (AirEupora) 4. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Approved for spins? (Pete) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:32 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Approved for spins? For the Owners Manual page 5-14 Spinning Intentional spinning is prohibited. Enough said. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 27 Sep 2019, at 17:35, Peter Zutrauen wrote: > > I realize the Europa has been tested for and has good spin recovery characteristics. > > Some Europa's in the US have been placarded with "intentional spins prohibited". Is this an arbitrary restriction? Is there an official Europa Aircraft document which restricts spins or any other 'aerobatic' manuver (I realize snap rolls would be a bad idea)? I have not yet found anything on the co's website. > > Here in Canada spins are to be demonstrated by the instructor as part of our PPL (we used to be tested on them too, but that has been removed from the syllabus), and one can obtain training in one's own homebuilt. So thus my question about spins. > > Many thanks, > Pete > #A239 xs (still parts) > #120 classic (new owner) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:09 AM PST US From: Pete Subject: Re: Europa-List: Approved for spins? Thx. Hmmmmm...i wonder why, since the design is so well spin proven and even proudly shouted from the treetops in the original europa promotion video? Seems to be quite the waste. Cheers and thx. > On Sep 28, 2019, at 11:48 AM, Alan Burrill wrote: > > > For the Owners Manual page 5-14 > > Spinning > Intentional spinning is prohibited. > > > Enough said. > > Alan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 27 Sep 2019, at 17:35, Peter Zutrauen wrote: >> >> I realize the Europa has been tested for and has good spin recovery characteristics. >> >> Some Europa's in the US have been placarded with "intentional spins prohibited". Is this an arbitrary restriction? Is there an official Europa Aircraft document which restricts spins or any other 'aerobatic' manuver (I realize snap rolls would be a bad idea)? I have not yet found anything on the co's website. >> >> Here in Canada spins are to be demonstrated by the instructor as part of our PPL (we used to be tested on them too, but that has been removed from the syllabus), and one can obtain training in one's own homebuilt. So thus my question about spins. >> >> Many thanks, >> Pete >> #A239 xs (still parts) >> #120 classic (new owner) > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Approved for spins? From: "AirEupora" Spinning Intentional spinning is prohibited. Both the proof-of-concept (P.O.C..) aircraft G-YURO and the kit prototype G-ELSA have been extensively spin tested, up to 12 turns, and found to have excellent spin recovery with standard spin recovery techniques. Both aircraft were also found to recover satisfactorily from fully developed spins by removing both hands and feet from the controls depending on trim setting. However, due to builder differences, individual kit aircraft may not exhibit the same spin characteristics as our prototypes. The prototype aircraft have a developed spin rate (after 3 turns) of approximately 180 per second with a 60 nose down attitude. If a spin is inadvertently entered; Close the throttle. Retract flaps if deployed Full rudder against direction of spin. Slight pause. Stick forward to neutral. Centralise rudder as spin stops. Recover from dive to a climbing attitude, applying power as the nose passes above the horizon. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491502#491502 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:43 PM PST US From: Pete Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Approved for spins? Cool thx, i did read that after i dug out the POH from the goodie pile that came with 120. Cheers and thx, Pete Ps - in canada aerobatic maneuvers once demonstrated are legal...wise or not. > On Sep 28, 2019, at 1:35 PM, AirEupora wrote: > > > Spinning > > Intentional spinning is prohibited. > > Both the proof-of-concept (P.O.C..) aircraft G-YURO and the kit prototype G-ELSA have been extensively spin tested, up to 12 turns, and found to have excellent spin recovery with standard spin recovery techniques. Both aircraft were also found to recover satisfactorily from fully developed spins by removing both hands and feet from the controls depending on trim setting. > > However, due to builder differences, individual kit aircraft may not exhibit the same spin characteristics as our prototypes. The prototype aircraft have a developed spin rate (after 3 turns) of approximately 180 per second with a 60 nose down attitude. > > If a spin is inadvertently entered; > > Close the throttle. > Retract flaps if deployed > > > Full rudder against direction of spin. > Slight pause. > Stick forward to neutral. > Centralise rudder as spin stops. > Recover from dive to a climbing attitude, applying power as the nose passes above the horizon. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491502#491502 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.