---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/06/19: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:02 AM - Old Ampreg 20 & Redux 420 (flyingphil2) 2. 05:00 AM - Re: Old Ampreg 20 & Redux 420 (William Daniell) 3. 05:51 AM - Re: Old Ampreg 20 & Redux 420 (D McFadyean) 4. 12:31 PM - Re: Old Ampreg 20 & Redux 420 (Graham Singleton) 5. 03:34 PM - Re: Old Ampreg 20 & Redux 420 (Rowland Carson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:34 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Old Ampreg 20 & Redux 420 From: "flyingphil2" Hello everyone, After a few years playing with another type of 'Euro' aircraft, I'm now helping someone with their Tri-Gear kit. I'm doing an inventory and of course have got a load of out of date Ampreg 20 and Redux 420. The Ampreg 20 expired in 2002 and the Redux 420 in 2003. I'm sure this is all destined for the bin but 'Europa folklore' suggests that the Ampreg could be used for surface filling of the control surfaces. Is this true? Will it still go off and can it still be used for non structural purposes? I note it's the '20' and so understand that for H&S reasons we may want to use 21 instead. If all this is fit for disposal, where can I do that in the UK? Will council recycling centres take it? Thanks, Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491641#491641 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:03 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Old Ampreg 20 & Redux 420 My advice is not dispose of it. While it might not be airworthy it is an amazing adhesive. I stuck a handle back on a collender with redux which had been open at least 5 years thinking that it would last a couple of weeks what with cycles of the dishwasher etc. That was 5 years ago and it shows no sign of softening or loosening its grip. As for epoxy i believe that all epoxies are basically similar. Anyway i used local colombian epoxy designed for insulating transformers to fill my control surfaces. The owner chemist of the company told me that if it cures itll be fine for that purpose. William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Sun, Oct 6, 2019, 06:04 flyingphil2 wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > After a few years playing with another type of 'Euro' aircraft, I'm now > helping someone with their Tri-Gear kit. > I'm doing an inventory and of course have got a load of out of date Ampreg > 20 and Redux 420. The Ampreg 20 expired in 2002 and the Redux 420 in 2003. > > I'm sure this is all destined for the bin but 'Europa folklore' suggests > that the Ampreg could be used for surface filling of the control surfaces. > Is this true? Will it still go off and can it still be used for non > structural purposes? I note it's the '20' and so understand that for H&S > reasons we may want to use 21 instead. > > If all this is fit for disposal, where can I do that in the UK? Will > council recycling centres take it? > > Thanks, > > Phil > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491641#491641 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:17 AM PST US From: D McFadyean Subject: Re: Europa-List: Old Ampreg 20 & Redux 420 If there are crystals in the hardner (which can be too fine to see easily), these will tend to be the source of paint defects where located immediately under the paint film in any filler made with this old epoxy. It might be possible to redissolve these crystals back in to the hardner prior to use, by means of gentle heating. Duncan McF. > On 06 October 2019 at 11:02 flyingphil2 wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > After a few years playing with another type of 'Euro' aircraft, I'm now helping someone with their Tri-Gear kit. > I'm doing an inventory and of course have got a load of out of date Ampreg 20 and Redux 420. The Ampreg 20 expired in 2002 and the Redux 420 in 2003. > > I'm sure this is all destined for the bin but 'Europa folklore' suggests that the Ampreg could be used for surface filling of the control surfaces. Is this true? Will it still go off and can it still be used for non structural purposes? I note it's the '20' and so understand that for H&S reasons we may want to use 21 instead. > > If all this is fit for disposal, where can I do that in the UK? Will council recycling centres take it? > > Thanks, > > Phil > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491641#491641 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:41 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Old Ampreg 20 & Redux 420 Use the Ampreg for filling, but mix some colloidal silica with it. That way you can add 30% more filler and it will still spread. Use the Redux to mend things in the house; or non structural stuff in the airplane. Graham > On 6 Oct 2019, at 11:02, flyingphil2 wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > After a few years playing with another type of 'Euro' aircraft, I'm now helping someone with their Tri-Gear kit. > I'm doing an inventory and of course have got a load of out of date Ampreg 20 and Redux 420. The Ampreg 20 expired in 2002 and the Redux 420 in 2003. > > I'm sure this is all destined for the bin but 'Europa folklore' suggests that the Ampreg could be used for surface filling of the control surfaces. Is this true? Will it still go off and can it still be used for non structural purposes? I note it's the '20' and so understand that for H&S reasons we may want to use 21 instead. > > If all this is fit for disposal, where can I do that in the UK? Will council recycling centres take it? > > Thanks, > > Phil > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=491641#491641 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:29 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Old Ampreg 20 & Redux 420 On 2019-10-06, at 11:02, flyingphil2 wrote: > After a few years playing with another type of 'Euro' aircraft, I'm now helping someone with their Tri-Gear kit. > I'm doing an inventory and of course have got a load of out of date Ampreg 20 and Redux 420. The Ampreg 20 expired in 2002 and the Redux 420 in 2003. Phil - if you dont want it, Ill take it all off your hands. Continue with messages direct to me if you want to proceed. 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