---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/30/19: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:21 AM - Re: Re: AW: AoA - Angle of Attack Indicator (Roger Sheridan) 2. 03:59 AM - Re: Re: AW: AoA - Angle of Attack Indicator (Alan Burrill) 3. 05:15 AM - Re: Re: AW: AoA - Angle of Attack Indicator (Roger Sheridan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:36 AM PST US From: Roger Sheridan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: AW: AoA - Angle of Attack Indicator Another vote in favour of audio warnings which are hard to ignore and do not interrupt an already busy visual scan on final approach. I regularly fly another taildragger with Dynon AoA & audio warnings - a bit like parking sensors theres a beeping tone which becomes faster as you approach the stall - fantastic. My Europa has the Smartass which is also good. On balance I prefer the AoA since the stall is directly related to AoA & correct approach speed IAS changes according to A/C weight. Some good AoA landing videos on youtube. Regards, Roger > On 29 Oct 2019, at 19:52, BobD wrote: > > > > carlp101 wrote: >> Hi James, >> >> I fitted the Dynon heated probe that is also an AoA probe, but you need it to feed a Dynon ADHRS unit. The AoA gauge is displayed in the main Dynon SkyView panel. >> >> Regards >> Carl > > > Hi James, > When Carl fitted his Dynon heated probe, he kindly gave me his original AOA probe, which I think he fabricated himself by slipping a slightly wider aluminium pipe over the original probe, and chamfering the front end to match the angle required for an AOA probe. I fitted this to the inspection panel on the starboard wing, after replacing the acrylic cover with a metal cover, and used this for my Dyson Skyview AOA gauge, and it works well. Fortunately, I had some unnecessary wiring running through the wing which I used to feed through the necessary tubing. I have attached a couple of photos. > > However, I also fitted a SmartAss device after reading the article in the June 2014 LAA Magazine by David Joyce, and I must say I find the audio prompting from this great, and would thoroughly recommend it, to augment the AOA function. > > Hope this helps. > > -------- > Bob Dawson > Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || SmartAss3 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=492026#492026 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/14727_7_208.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/14727_6_172.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/14727_5_208.jpg > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:31 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: AW: AoA - Angle of Attack Indicator Aviate Navigate Communicate. Its interesting to hear peoples view on in-cockpit audio and its usefulness. I am currently one of the Project Leads in Project GAINS which is looking at the use of Electronic Conspicuity Devices in a busy airfield environment. One of the issues we have consistent feedback about is the increased audio warnings from traffic alerts and conflicting with radio calls from the ground and also other pilots increasing confusion and pilot workload. That said an AoA warning would be, in my opinion, meeting the aviate criteria and therefore important to have prominance however how do pilots balance and indeed deselect those audio warning that are intrusive and distracting rather than life-saving. Alan Burrill G-OBJT > On 30 Oct 2019, at 10:21, Roger Sheridan wrote: > > > > Another vote in favour of audio warnings which are hard to ignore and do not interrupt an already busy visual scan on final approach. > > I regularly fly another taildragger with Dynon AoA & audio warnings - a bit like parking sensors there=99s a beeping tone which becomes faster as you approach the stall - fantastic. > > My Europa has the Smartass which is also good. > > On balance I prefer the AoA since the stall is directly related to AoA & correct approach speed IAS changes according to A/C weight. > > Some good AoA landing videos on youtube. > > Regards, > > Roger > > > >> On 29 Oct 2019, at 19:52, BobD wrote: >> >> >> >> carlp101 wrote: >>> Hi James, >>> >>> I fitted the Dynon heated probe that is also an AoA probe, but you need it to feed a Dynon ADHRS unit. The AoA gauge is displayed in the main Dynon SkyView panel. >>> >>> Regards >>> Carl >> >> >> Hi James, >> When Carl fitted his Dynon heated probe, he kindly gave me his original AOA probe, which I think he fabricated himself by slipping a slightly wider aluminium pipe over the original probe, and chamfering the front end to match the angle required for an AOA probe. I fitted this to the inspection panel on the starboard wing, after replacing the acrylic cover with a metal cover, and used this for my Dyson Skyview AOA gauge, and it works well. Fortunately, I had some unnecessary wiring running through the wing which I used to feed through the necessary tubing. I have attached a couple of photos. >> >> However, I also fitted a SmartAss device after reading the article in the June 2014 LAA Magazine by David Joyce, and I must say I find the audio prompting from this great, and would thoroughly recommend it, to augment the AOA function. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> -------- >> Bob Dawson >> Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || SmartAss3 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=492026#492026 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/14727_7_208.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/14727_6_172.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/14727_5_208.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:53 AM PST US From: Roger Sheridan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: AW: AoA - Angle of Attack Indicator Agreed, I have a mute switch for the sky demon & pilot aware audio when it all becomes too much. Somehow the aoa beeping is easier to assimilate for me than smart ass voice which seems to be nagging! > On 30 Oct 2019, at 10:58, Alan Burrill wrote: > > Aviate Navigate Communicate. > > Its interesting to hear peoples view on in-cockpit audio and its usefulness. > > I am currently one of the Project Leads in Project GAINS which is looking at the use of Electronic Conspicuity Devices in a busy airfield environment. > > One of the issues we have consistent feedback about is the increased audio warnings from traffic alerts and conflicting with radio calls from the ground and also other pilots increasing confusion and pilot workload. > > That said an AoA warning would be, in my opinion, meeting the aviate criteria and therefore important to have prominance however how do pilots balance and indeed deselect those audio warning that are intrusive and distracting rather than life-saving. > > Alan Burrill > G-OBJT > >> On 30 Oct 2019, at 10:21, Roger Sheridan > wrote: >> > >> >> Another vote in favour of audio warnings which are hard to ignore and do not interrupt an already busy visual scan on final approach. >> >> I regularly fly another taildragger with Dynon AoA & audio warnings - a bit like parking sensors there=99s a beeping tone which becomes faster as you approach the stall - fantastic. >> >> My Europa has the Smartass which is also good. >> >> On balance I prefer the AoA since the stall is directly related to AoA & correct approach speed IAS changes according to A/C weight. >> >> Some good AoA landing videos on youtube. >> >> Regards, >> >> Roger >> >> >> >>> On 29 Oct 2019, at 19:52, BobD > wrote: >>> > >>> >>> >>> carlp101 wrote: >>>> Hi James, >>>> >>>> I fitted the Dynon heated probe that is also an AoA probe, but you need it to feed a Dynon ADHRS unit. The AoA gauge is displayed in the main Dynon SkyView panel. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Carl >>> >>> >>> Hi James, >>> When Carl fitted his Dynon heated probe, he kindly gave me his original AOA probe, which I think he fabricated himself by slipping a slightly wider aluminium pipe over the original probe, and chamfering the front end to match the angle required for an AOA probe. I fitted this to the inspection panel on the starboard wing, after replacing the acrylic cover with a metal cover, and used this for my Dyson Skyview AOA gauge, and it works well. Fortunately, I had some unnecessary wiring running through the wing which I used to feed through the necessary tubing. I have attached a couple of photos. >>> >>> However, I also fitted a SmartAss device after reading the article in the June 2014 LAA Magazine by David Joyce, and I must say I find the audio prompting from this great, and would thoroughly recommend it, to augment the AOA function. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> -------- >>> Bob Dawson >>> Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || SmartAss3 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=492026#492026 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/14727_7_208.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/14727_6_172.jpg >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/14727_5_208.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >> >> >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> http://wiki.matronics.com >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.