---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/20/19: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:06 AM - Re: Container contingency (Hitchflight) 2. 10:43 AM - Re: Control stick tube height (n7188u) 3. 11:48 AM - Re: Container contingency (n7188u) 4. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: Container contingency (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:50 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Container contingency From: "Hitchflight" Hi Patrick. Thanks for your useful comment, a slight twist may help! Am reconciled to the use of a white gloves service or the 20 foot in any hopefully rare hypothetical worse case recovery. Whenever Ive had an issue to date I have been able to solve with parts carried or have received outstanding support from European based Europa Club members or general friendly airfield support in Europe. ISO shipping containers usually come out of the factory as 40ft or 20ft, the universal size for intermodal transport and shipping. A 20ft container is are always available. The 30ft is rare by comparison and is often a cut down 40ft. The price paid for hiring a 30ft container would likely be the same as a 40 foot. The larger the container the less chance a small port on a small island would be able to handle in a contingency situation of trying to get your plane back from the middle of nowhere. If constrained to not use multimodal containers the costs increase. So ease of using multimodal transport is key. The cost of handling increases with size. So the movement of a 20 foot container is say 1000 to 2500 depending on where in the world you are stuck. A 30 ft or 40 ft would be say 1800 to 3500. It is possible to contract out the solution. A white gloves service capable organisation could sort out the return, paying 1500 to well over 10000 . Key is what was the incident that necessitated the contingency and what event the existing aircraft insurance covers. What is paid for the insurance and what does the insurance actually cover in respect of recovery, if anything. White gloves service: A premium delivery service, with special attention to details, especially with fragile or very expensive items, such as works of art (i.e. a Europa). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493208#493208 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:15 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Control stick tube height From: "n7188u" Dear Forum Members, Thanks for the feedback and apologies for me getting back sooner. I did check clearance a while back. I spoke with Marty (original owner of the kit) and he said the stick was shortened by 1.25" to fit the Infinity grips which are quite long. I may extend the stick back to its original length, while checking panel clearance, just because the top of the stick doesn't have much of a straight section where a I want to fit a foamy grip (may look like a banana instead of a control stick grip once installed). No final decision yet, just wanted to see what length the sticks are when original and now I know :) BTW, I am used to a very short stick (LongEZ) but, as some people indicated, the airplane is designed in such way as to provide proper stick forces and the stick length is a big part of it (plus-minus some tolerance of course). Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493210#493210 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:15 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Container contingency From: "n7188u" Call me crazy but I think that if I was thinking about shipping my Europa (and actually my wife and I are dreaming about taking it to Europe from the US one day) I would consider modifying the tailwheel to make it fully removable if that meant you can then use a 20' container. I know this is not an option for our British counterparts but for us in the US it is no issue. It also doesn't look technically impossible (and you even wonder why it is not?). Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493211#493211 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:45 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Container contingency Chris, It is of course easy enough to remove the prop. David Joyce, G-XSDJ On 2019-11-20 19:47, n7188u wrote: > > Call me crazy but I think that if I was thinking about shipping my Europa (and actually my wife and I are dreaming about taking it to Europe from the US one day) I would consider modifying the tailwheel to make it fully removable if that meant you can then use a 20' container. > > I know this is not an option for our British counterparts but for us in the US it is no issue. 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