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    Time: 01:08:52 AM PST US
    From: <roberthatton1@googlemail.com>
    Subject: Re: Container contingency
    Chris, Do your homework if you do ship your Europa to Europe and then wish to ship it back to the USA again. I shipped a Europa from the UK to the USA and the "white glove" UK shipper that I used, who was supposedly an expert in shipping aircraft, proved completely incompetent. I was told that the shipping company "had to be responsible" for cleaning my aircraft and trailer, which I was nervous about in case during the cleaning the aircraft was damaged. I went as far as insisting that I would clean my aircraft myself, only to be told not to worry for they would do it since they needed to go to a specialized cleaning station and this would be backed up by paperwork they would need for the shipping. However, the shipper never did clean my Europa or trailer (although I was charged for the privilege!). I used a 40 foot shipping container for the Europa trailer would be put into the back of it, taking up about 20ish feet, and then household goods were in the front half of the container. When my shipping container arrived at Houston, the port of entry, US border control briefly opened the container doors to observe "Heterogaster Urticae" or Nettle Bugs wandering around my container. These little creatures are indigenous to the UK and quite rightly US border control did not want an alien bug entering the USA with unknown repercussions the the USA environment. The US had just managed, after many years trying, to eradicate a species of moth that had been an 'import' and had caused havoc to US agriculture, so it is totally understandable that they did not want any other unknown bugs coming into their country. I was given seven days to remove the container including the Europa, from US soil or it would be destroyed and I would be billed for the destruction. Not a happy moment in my life! Without any options the container returned to the UK where I met it and subsequently cleaned the aircraft and trailer myself at a dockside cleaning station - removing all traces of what little mud and dirt there was - and found there was no paperwork to be had, for this action of cleaning counts for "squat". In my research I found out that the container should have originally been fumigated in the first place "to kill all known bugs dead" and the shipper had never done this either. Toxic fumigant being somewhat more effective than 'soap and water'. I organized a fumigation company, but then had to make sure the fumigant being used was acceptable to the US border control authority - here you do have to supply paperwork showing when and what fumigant had been used - whilst at the same time what fumigants are available and legal to use in the UK that still satisfy the US requirements. Not originally having this paperwork was probably a huge red flag to US border control to inspect the container. The fumigators, wrapped up in their protective clothing, for the stuff they use is just as lethal to humans as it is to bugs, threw in a couple of fumigant pellets like hand grenades and rapidly shut the container doors to seal the fumigant in to do its stuff. The container then made a repeat crossing back over the Atlantic. Although I looked at suing the shipper after my first experience I ran a credit check on him and his company, and found out that he had previously shipped another 'plane before mine to the USA where that shipment had also gone wrong. He had been sued by that owner and was in debt after the court action and had no assets to speak of. I also could not afford to go with another company and the shipper offered to re-ship my container without further charge. It seems that the shipper wound up the company he was trading under that I dealt with not long after my saga, but what I find disturbing is that he has popped back up under a new name and is still trading as a shipping agent. The second time the container arrived it came through US Border checks fine. However, it was rail freighted across the USA, which I then found out is a huge mistake. When it finally arrived and I opened up the container, extracted the trailer and pulled my Europa out, I found that it had been damaged. The trailer I have is an enclosed one. It had been extremely securely tied down in the container and the Europa strapped down inside the trailer. My Europa is a mono, and the tailwheel had been bolted into the floor of the trailer. Sadly, the bolts had sheared and the rudder bashed into the trailer roof and caught the leading edges of the wings. That was a bit of an 'own goal' for I should have known better and Bud is totally right by saying "really strap it down" - emphasis on strap! The shipper had arranged the insurance and whilst he had insured for the first and second outgoing trips from the UK to the US, he had omitted to insure the container for its return from the US to the UK. The insurers then tried to get out of the claim because of this. Another nightmare to go through. The insurer was also an international company and "paused trading" after the tsunami hit Japan and they effectively were themselves swamped with claims which resulted in their US arm filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. They did resurrect themselves, but it all took time before I could get an loss adjustor out to inspect my claim. The adjustor asked why I had used rail freight for the land element of the journey and not road transport for the container. I had not chosen rail freight, it had just been organized by the shipper, and I did not know any better. I do now, and the adjustor explained that aircraft should never be shipped by rail. His conclusion was that the train's sharp jerking movements as the freight cars are pulled to get going and braked to stop, then they shunt into each other were the most likely reason for the stress on the bolts holding the tail down causing them to shear. The roll of a ship is smoother, and he thought it unlikely that the ship's rolling at sea was to blame. Thankfully though the claim was eventually paid. I do not wish to pour cold water on what should be an achievable dream but for the modern world's bureaucracy, rules, regulations and red tape, but shipping an aircraft to and from Europe is a very complex exercise. I became somewhat of an expert after everything went wrong for me and I found out what the shipper should have done in the first place for me, his client. The other aspect to consider is flying an 'N' registered experimental aircraft in Europe that did not fly into a European country, but just arrived there and then was assembled to fly from that country. However, please do not be put off, I would just say reach out to the necessary authorities and maybe you'd find one who could accommodate your dream and allow you to fly from there and then throughout the rest of Europe. And finally, I did remove the prop completely because I thought it safer to have the shipper box it up rather than leave it on the Europa risking any potential damage to it or the gearbox. The shipper use a wooden box too small to fit the spinner properly, without any packing material and crushed the spinner when screwing the lid down. Good luck! Would I ship an aircraft again - no! I'd fly it over the Atlantic, for I reckon it would be less risk to the aircraft and certainly I'd keep my sanity intact. (Get a long range tank for your Europa and meet your wife over there.) Rob Hatton From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of Bud Yerly Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Container contingency If on the dolly, remove the rudder also and really strap it down. I have photos in archive on shipping done wrong. Bud Yerly Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> > on behalf of davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:23:15 PM <europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Container contingency Chris, It is of course easy enough to remove the prop. David Joyce, G-XSDJ On 2019-11-20 19:47, n7188u wrote: <mailto:chmgarb@gmail.com> > Call me crazy but I think that if I was thinking about shipping my Europa (and actually my wife and I are dreaming about taking it to Europe from the US one day) I would consider modifying the tailwheel to make it fully removable if that meant you can then use a 20' container. I know this is not an option for our British counterparts but for us in the US it is no issue. It also doesn't look technically impossible (and you even wonder why it is not?). Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=493211#493211 .matronics.com/contribution ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ics.com .com .matronics.com/contribution




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