---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/25/20: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:06 AM - Re: Hand propping the Rotax (Hitchflight) 2. 05:02 AM - Re: Frame/gear offset error? (h&jeuropa) 3. 05:14 AM - Re: Re: Frame/gear offset error? (Pete) 4. 07:48 AM - Re: Frame/gear offset error? (Pete Jeffers) 5. 08:18 AM - Frame/gear offset error? (Erich Trombley) 6. 08:47 AM - Re: Frame/gear offset error? (Pete) 7. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: Frame/gear offset error? (Kingsley Hurst) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:01 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Hand propping the Rotax From: "Hitchflight" That looks and feels so wrong on a Rotax. And no chocks...... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=497029#497029 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:29 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Frame/gear offset error? From: "h&jeuropa" Pete, Could you explain further what is the problem? From the photo I don't see anything wrong. Thanks, Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=497032#497032 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:26 AM PST US From: Pete Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Frame/gear offset error? Hi Jim, The swingarm is not centered and does not clear the frame (pilot side) to drop the gear. The locating tabs on the swingarm tube are incorrect and nit crnteted, although are the exact correct width (no lateral play) wrt to the swingarm bushings. > On Jun 25, 2020, at 8:01 AM, h&jeuropa wrote: > > > Pete, > > Could you explain further what is the problem? From the photo I don't see anything wrong. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=497032#497032 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:50 AM PST US From: "Pete Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Frame/gear offset error? H Pete, I am afraid your description and photo do not tell me a great deal about your problem BUT I would like you to check something that causes a restriction much as you describe Ie leg not retracting or extending properly. I would use a manual page to refer you to but I am unable to get onto the Europa Aircraft web site. I know I am registered but they don't think I am. There is one unit that can be fitted either one of two ways round. One is right and the other will give you a problemm such as you describe. I now have a tri gear so only have immediate access to a Tri Gear manual. Not too helpful when you are talking Mono problems. Pete Jeffers ( LAA rep to the Europa Club) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: 24 June 2020 16:25 Subject: Europa-List: Frame/gear offset error? Hi Folks, My kits (circa-2001) frame seem to have an offset error on the swing-arm tube centering tabs, making it not possible to drop the gear without interference. Anyone else seen this error? Looks like a fiddly fix to carefully grind down one tab and adding to the other. Picture is attached (if it gets through - also posted on the Europa Aircraft Owners FB page) Thoughts/experiences anyone? Many thanks, Pete A239 -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:06 AM PST US From: Erich Trombley Subject: Europa-List: Frame/gear offset error? Pete, What do you mean by centering tabs? From you picture it looks like the swing arm needs to be moved over slightly to the S.B. side. I believe the lateral position of the swing arm is set by the LG08 legs which are centered in the large diameter cross tube and LG02A which is bolted to the swing arm. Looking at your picture it doesnt look like the LG08s have been mounted to the frame yet. I suspect you just need to clean up the bearing surface on the lower frame to allow the swing arm to slide closer to the port side down tube. Or perhaps I am missing something and got it all wrong. Regards, Erich N28ET Classic Monowheel 914 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:45 AM PST US From: Pete Subject: Europa-List: Re: Frame/gear offset error? Indeed the swingarm is centered on the lower frame tube by two small tabs we lded onto the top of that tube, which ride on the inside vertical surface of the arm=99s brass bushing blocks. Those tabs are nicely tight on the swingarm to prevent any lateral sliding of the swingarm on the tube, but sa dly they are offset to the pilot=99s side on mine, preventing the swin garm from clearing the vertical tube. I was just wonder if others had seen t his fabrication error, or if mine was a one-off mistake. Cheers and thanks, Pete > On Jun 25, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Erich Trombley wro te: > > =EF=BBPete, > > What do you mean by centering tabs? =46rom you picture it looks like the s wing arm needs to be moved over slightly to the S.B. side. I believe the la teral position of the swing arm is set by the LG08 legs which are centered i n the large diameter cross tube and LG02A which is bolted to the swing arm. Looking at your picture it doesn=99t look like the LG08s have been mo unted to the frame yet. I suspect you just need to clean up the bearing sur face on the lower frame to allow the swing arm to slide closer to the port s ide down tube. Or perhaps I am missing something and got it all wrong. =F0=9F =A4=94 > > Regards, > Erich > N28ET Classic Monowheel 914 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Frame/gear offset error? From: Kingsley Hurst Peter, Photos can be deceiving but in the photo attached, it appears the brass bushings may be offset with respect to the swinging arm. As a point of interest, have you tried inverting each pair of bushings to see if there is any improvement? If the tabs as you call them are different distances from the side frame (a fabrication error as you suspect), I think I would be tempted to simply grind away that part of the swinging arm that conflicts. There is not much clearance at the best of times in that area. Now to answer your question . . . . . No I haven't seen that fabrication error but I have seen a different one on the same framework. Cheers Kingsley On 26.06.20 1:45 am, Pete wrote: > Indeed the swingarm is centered on the lower frame tube by two small tabs welded onto the top of that tube, which ride on the inside vertical surface of the arms brass bushing blocks. Those tabs are nicely tight on the swingarm to prevent any lateral sliding of the swingarm on the tube, but sadly they are offset to the pilots side on mine, preventing the swingarm from clearing the vertical tube. I was just wonder if others had seen this fabrication error, or if mine was a one-off mistake. > > Cheers and thanks, > Pete ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.