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1. 01:46 AM - rubber replacement (Paul Munford)
2. 04:40 AM - 912ULS fuel return line orifice size (Pete Zut)
3. 04:44 AM - Fw: 912ULS fuel return line orifice size (Pete Zut)
4. 04:47 AM - Re: rubber replacement (Steve Ivell)
5. 04:53 AM - Re: rubber replacement (Alan Burrill)
6. 05:12 AM - Re: Fw: 912ULS fuel return line orifice size (Rowland Carson)
7. 05:22 AM - Re: 912ULS fuel return line orifice size (Brian Davies)
8. 05:25 AM - Re: rubber replacement (Brian Davies)
9. 05:42 AM - Re: rubber replacement (Steve Ivell)
10. 05:48 AM - Re: 912ULS fuel return line orifice size (Pete Zut)
11. 05:57 AM - Re: rubber replacement (Brian Davies)
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Subject: | rubber replacement |
My 912ULS is coming up to 5yrs (although only done 70hrs!) & I
understand that all rubber components
have to be replaced. Has anyone out there done this recently & can tell
me how to source all the appropriate
bits? It sounds like =98one helluva job=99 & presumably
involves all the fuel pipes, oil, coolant & carb components ?
Thankyou Paul Munford G- OVPM (kit 625)
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Subject: | 912ULS fuel return line orifice size |
Hi Folks,
I'm currently re-doing my fuel lines and configuration and have discovered
my return orifice was made at 1/32" or 0.68mm which is twice the size of
the spec'd rotax 0.33 mm or 1/64". It may explain why whenever I turned
the electric pump off the pressure would drop to near zero for a couple
seconds before recovering to the expected 4-5psi.
Curious what size other folks are running? 0.33mm?
Cheers and thanks,
Pete Z.
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Subject: | Fwd: 912ULS fuel return line orifice size |
Looks like this is a very old question - and that Europa supplied larger
restrictors. Very odd.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403137
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Subject: 912ULS fuel return line orifice size
Hi Folks,
I'm currently re-doing my fuel lines and configuration and have discovered
my return orifice was made at 1/32" or 0.68mm which is twice the size of
the spec'd rotax 0.33 mm or 1/64". It may explain why whenever I turned
the electric pump off the pressure would drop to near zero for a couple
seconds before recovering to the expected 4-5psi.
Curious what size other folks are running? 0.33mm?
Cheers and thanks,
Pete Z.
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Subject: | rubber replacement |
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Subject: | Re: rubber replacement |
This is one source I use.
https://www.hoseworld.com/
A bought the silicon hoses from water pump to radiator from Europa
Alan
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> On 4 Dec 2020, at 10:03, Paul Munford <pmdental@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB
> My 912ULS is coming up to 5yrs (although only done 70hrs!) & I understand t
hat all rubber components
>
> have to be replaced. Has anyone out there done this recently & can tell me
how to source all the appropriate
>
> bits? It sounds like =98one helluva job=99 & presumably involv
es all the fuel pipes, oil, coolant & carb components ?
>
> Thankyou Paul Munford G- OVPM (kit 625)
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: 912ULS fuel return line orifice size |
Pete - yes, apparently the restrictor with the larger orifice supplied by the Europa
factory was intended to reduce vapour lock issues. See my journal for 20th
& 21st June 2013:
http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/201306.php
in friendship
Rowland
> On 2020-12-04, at 12:42, Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
> Looks like this is a very old question - and that Europa supplied larger restrictors.
Very odd.
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403137
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Pete Zut <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
> Date: Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 7:39 AM
> Subject: 912ULS fuel return line orifice size
> To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm currently re-doing my fuel lines and configuration and have discovered my
return orifice was made at 1/32" or 0.68mm which is twice the size of the spec'd
rotax 0.33 mm or 1/64". It may explain why whenever I turned the electric
pump off the pressure would drop to near zero for a couple seconds before recovering
to the expected 4-5psi.
>
>
> Curious what size other folks are running? 0.33mm?
>
> Cheers and thanks,
> Pete Z.
>
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Subject: | 912ULS fuel return line orifice size |
Hi Pete
If you are running the latest mechanical fuel pump I think you will find th
at Rotax have published information that states a brief drop in fuel pressu
re is =9Cnormal=9D. I have never understood why this should be
=9Cnormal=9D but
I don=99t think it is linked to the size of the return line orifice.
Regards
Brian
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr
onics.com> On Behalf Of Pete Zut
Sent: 04 December 2020 12:40
Subject: Europa-List: 912ULS fuel return line orifice size
Hi Folks,
I'm currently re-doing my fuel lines and configuration and have discovered
my return orifice was made at 1/32" or 0.68mm which is twice the size of th
e spec'd rotax 0.33 mm or 1/64". It may explain why whenever I turned the
electric pump off the pressure would drop to near zero for a couple seconds
before recovering to the expected 4-5psi.
Curious what size other folks are running? 0.33mm?
Cheers and thanks,
Pete Z.
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Subject: | rubber replacement |
At the risk of stepping into a hornet=99s nest I think you will find
that the 5 year rubber replacement as a mandatory action only applies to ce
rtified aircraft and Gyros on a permit in the UK.
Regards
Brian
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Sent: 04 December 2020 12:53
Subject: Re: Europa-List: rubber replacement
This is one source I use.
https://www.hoseworld.com/
A bought the silicon hoses from water pump to radiator from Europa
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Dec 2020, at 10:03, Paul Munford <pmdental@btinternet.com <mailto:pmde
ntal@btinternet.com> > wrote:
=EF=BB
My 912ULS is coming up to 5yrs (although only done 70hrs!) & I understand t
hat all rubber components
have to be replaced. Has anyone out there done this recently & can tell me
how to source all the appropriate
bits? It sounds like =98one helluva job=99 & presumably involve
s all the fuel pipes, oil, coolant & carb components ?
Thankyou Paul Munford G- OVPM (kit 625)
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Subject: | Re: 912ULS fuel return line orifice size |
Many thanks Brian for the info..... I'm relieved to hear that others are
seeing the same, and that Rotax actually published something on it.
Cheers and blue skies :-)
(and I'm leaving the orifice as per the Europa size)
On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 8:30 AM Brian Davies <brian.davies44@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Pete
>
> If you are running the latest mechanical fuel pump I think you will find
> that Rotax have published information that states a brief drop in fuel
> pressure is =9Cnormal=9D. I have never understood why this s
hould be =9Cnormal=9D
> but
>
>
> I don=99t think it is linked to the size of the return line orifice
.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Brian
>
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Pete Zut
> *Sent:* 04 December 2020 12:40
> *To:* europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Europa-List: 912ULS fuel return line orifice size
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
> I'm currently re-doing my fuel lines and configuration and have discovere
d
> my return orifice was made at 1/32" or 0.68mm which is twice the size of
> the spec'd rotax 0.33 mm or 1/64". It may explain why whenever I turned
> the electric pump off the pressure would drop to near zero for a couple
> seconds before recovering to the expected 4-5psi.
>
>
> Curious what size other folks are running? 0.33mm?
>
>
> Cheers and thanks,
>
> Pete Z.
>
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Subject: | rubber replacement |
Hi Steve,
I agree that the fuel lines are more critical. If we all changed to silico
n for the coolant and SAE 30-R14 spec fuel hoses (or -R9 if you don
=99t mind stiffer hoses) it would largely solve the problem of ethanol atta
cking the fuel hoses.
If the hoses are inspected carefully each annual for surface cracking or si
gns of becoming =9Cstiff=9D I would personally be happy to go b
eyond 5 years but that is clearly a decision for each owner and his inspect
or in the UK.
Regards
Brian
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onics.com> On Behalf Of Steve Ivell
Sent: 04 December 2020 13:42
Subject: RE: Europa-List: rubber replacement
I think you are right Brian but it=99s probably prudent to do the fue
l lines. I did all mine last year and found that all the coolant and oil ho
ses were good as new and it seemed a waste. The fuel hoses had become a bit
stiff but were also otherwise good. I only use normal unleaded fuel which
contains ethanol..not wasting money on super unleaded!! L
ol
Kind Regards
Steve Ivell
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Sent: 04 December 2020 13:25
Subject: RE: Europa-List: rubber replacement
At the risk of stepping into a hornet=99s nest I think you will find
that the 5 year rubber replacement as a mandatory action only applies to ce
rtified aircraft and Gyros on a permit in the UK.
Regards
Brian
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ropa-list-server@matronics.com> > On Behalf Of Alan Burrill
Sent: 04 December 2020 12:53
Subject: Re: Europa-List: rubber replacement
This is one source I use.
https://www.hoseworld.com/
A bought the silicon hoses from water pump to radiator from Europa
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Dec 2020, at 10:03, Paul Munford <pmdental@btinternet.com <mailto:pmde
ntal@btinternet.com> > wrote:
=EF=BB
My 912ULS is coming up to 5yrs (although only done 70hrs!) & I understand t
hat all rubber components
have to be replaced. Has anyone out there done this recently & can tell me
how to source all the appropriate
bits? It sounds like =98one helluva job=99 & presumably involve
s all the fuel pipes, oil, coolant & carb components ?
Thankyou Paul Munford G- OVPM (kit 625)
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