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1. 03:06 AM - Prop dia. (Anthony Braun)
2. 03:45 AM - Re: Prop dia. (D McFadyean)
3. 04:03 AM - Re: Prop dia. (Pete Jeffers)
4. 06:37 AM - Re: Prop dia. (Wladimir Kummer)
5. 06:45 AM - Re: Prop dia. (Pete Jeffers)
6. 06:56 AM - FW: Prop dia. (Pete Jeffers)
7. 08:55 AM - Re: Prop dia. (Mike Christine Duane)
8. 09:46 AM - Re: Prop dia. (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
9. 10:36 AM - Re: Prop dia. (William Daniell)
10. 06:45 PM - B-nut loosening on oil fittings? (rparigoris)
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Hi,
New to the list. I just purchased a Europa project and am going with a non standard
engine. What is the maximum safe dia. Prop with a tricycle gear or conventional
tail wheel setup?
Regards,
Tony Braun
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64" is the limit in the UK for trigear. Of course that's not necessarily "safe"
(liability disclaimer!).
Some (not all) conventional gear Europas have higher ground clearance than both
the mono and tri, so larger prop diameters may be accepted, whilst still being
compliant with CS-VLA.
DMcF.
> On 23 December 2020 at 11:05 Anthony Braun <albertaflyer@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Hi,
> New to the list. I just purchased a Europa project and am going with a non standard
engine. What is the maximum safe dia. Prop with a tricycle gear or conventional
tail wheel setup?
> Regards,
> Tony Braun
>
>
>
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1625mm or 64" dia.
Pete Jeffers
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Sent: 23 December 2020 11:05
Subject: Europa-List: Prop dia.
Hi,
New to the list. I just purchased a Europa project and am going with a non
standard engine. What is the maximum safe dia. Prop with a tricycle gear or
conventional tail wheel setup?
Regards,
Tony Braun
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Hello Tony,
What engine is being considered? I=C2=B4m building a Europa XS Long Wing an
d
intend to use a 0200 as an engine. To accomodate a longer prop will make
the thrust line 2" higher.
Best regards
Wladimir
Em qua., 23 de dez. de 2020 =C3-s 08:09, Anthony Braun <albertaflyer@gmai
l.com>
escreveu:
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> Hi,
> New to the list. I just purchased a Europa project and am going with a no
n
> standard engine. What is the maximum safe dia. Prop with a tricycle gear
or
> conventional tail wheel setup?
> Regards,
> Tony Braun
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Further to my previous comment ie 1625mm or 64 inches diameter, please go to
the following link for all information about props certified in the UK for
fitting to various engines on various types of Europa.
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/NewMods/Aircraft_Type_
Files/247%20-%20EUROPA.pdf
Regards
Pete Jeffers
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Braun
Sent: 23 December 2020 11:05
Subject: Europa-List: Prop dia.
Hi,
New to the list. I just purchased a Europa project and am going with a non
standard engine. What is the maximum safe dia. Prop with a tricycle gear or
conventional tail wheel setup?
Regards,
Tony Braun
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From: Pete Jeffers [mailto:pjeffers@talktalk.net]
Sent: 23 December 2020 14:44
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Prop dia.
Further to my previous comment ie 1625mm or 64 inches diameter, please go to
the following link for all information about props certified in the UK for
fitting to various engines on various types of Europa.
http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/NewMods/Aircraft_Type_
Files/247%20-%20EUROPA.pdf
Regards
Pete Jeffers
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Braun
Sent: 23 December 2020 11:05
Subject: Europa-List: Prop dia.
Hi,
New to the list. I just purchased a Europa project and am going with a non
standard engine. What is the maximum safe dia. Prop with a tricycle gear or
conventional tail wheel setup?
Regards,
Tony Braun
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Good morning Tony, does the engine manufacturer have any input as to which p
rops they suggest? I used a Jabiru 3300 and they addressed the prop issue in
their installation manual.
Do you plan on a fixed pitch, ground adjustable, or constant speed prop? Wit
h the constant speed prop being the heaviest, have you done the W&B to make s
ure you stay inside the =9Cbox=9D? Just askin=99. LOL
Mike Duane N377EA
Europa XS Conventional gear
Chandler, AZ
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> On Dec 23, 2020, at 7:37 AM, Wladimir Kummer <wladimirkummer@gmail.com> wr
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> Hello Tony,
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> What engine is being considered? I=C2=B4m building a Europa XS Long Wing a
nd intend to use a 0200 as an engine. To accomodate a longer prop will make t
he thrust line 2" higher.
>
> Best regards
>
> Wladimir
>
>> Em qua., 23 de dez. de 2020 =C3-s 08:09, Anthony Braun <albertaflyer@gm
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>> Hi,
>> New to the list. I just purchased a Europa project and am going with a no
n standard engine. What is the maximum safe dia. Prop with a tricycle gear o
r conventional tail wheel setup?
>> Regards,
>> Tony Braun
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Tony, If it is not too late I would suggest thinking very seriously
about fitting any engine other than a Rotax. The plane was designed
around the Rotax, it works superbly with the Rotax and if built
carefully has an excellent load carrying capacity and excellent
performance with a Rotax, particularly a 912S or 914. With my 914 and a
Woodcomp CS prop I can exceed VNe on the flat at MAUW from 6500 ft
upwards whilst having capacity for two good sized men, full fuel and
luggage. Having been around the Europa scene for a couple of decades I
have seen multiple episodes of folk regretting the decision to try some
other sort of engine. I wouldn't knock the O-200 in airframes designed
for it but it is appreciably heavier than the 912S or 914 and it is
difficult to see any sensible advantage. When I analysed all the
ditchings around the UK over a 20 yr period ( a few years back), of the
49 planes that went in the water, there were none powered by any Rotax
91variants, but quite a lot of Continentals. It is after all a much
older design than the Rotax. Most people building carefully and fitting
a Rotax will end up with an empty weight between 820 and 880 lbs (but
totals well up in the 900s are not unknown). With a MAUW of 1370 lbs
this gives a total useable weight or load capacity for crew and baggage
of between 550 and 480lbs (that is 250 - 218kg). Baggage capacity is 80
lbs /36kg and if you are touring you may well find you need all of that.
And if you are to take a couple of average chaps of 185lbs/85kg you are
clearly left making compromises which will be quite restricting if your
build is on the heavy side even before you fit a heavy engine.
Best wishes, David Joyce
On 2020-12-23 11:05, Anthony Braun wrote:
> <albertaflyer@gmail.com>
>
> Hi,
> New to the list. I just purchased a Europa project and am going with a
> non standard engine. What is the maximum safe dia. Prop with a tricycle
> gear or conventional tail wheel setup?
> Regards,
> Tony Braun
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David
I thoroughly endorse David's comment. It's hard enough to build a plane
without the additional challenge of a non standard engine. I almost went
down the Subaru route and so glad I didnt - I did a thing which I almost
never do...I followed advice
What MAP settings do you use on your 914 for max continuous and for cruise?
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+1 786 878 0246
On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 12:49 PM <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
> Tony, If it is not too late I would suggest thinking very seriously about
> fitting any engine other than a Rotax. The plane was designed around the
> Rotax, it works superbly with the Rotax and if built carefully has an
> excellent load carrying capacity and excellent performance with a Rotax,
> particularly a 912S or 914. With my 914 and a Woodcomp CS prop I can exceed
> VNe on the flat at MAUW from 6500 ft upwards whilst having capacity for two
> good sized men, full fuel and luggage. Having been around the Europa scene
> for a couple of decades I have seen multiple episodes of folk regretting
> the decision to try some other sort of engine. I wouldn't knock the O-200
> in airframes designed for it but it is appreciably heavier than the 912S
> or 914 and it is difficult to see any sensible advantage. When I analysed
> all the ditchings around the UK over a 20 yr period ( a few years back), of
> the 49 planes that went in the water, there were none powered by any Rotax
> 91variants, but quite a lot of Continentals. It is after all a much older
> design than the Rotax. Most people building carefully and fitting a Rotax
> will end up with an empty weight between 820 and 880 lbs (but totals well
> up in the 900s are not unknown). With a MAUW of 1370 lbs this gives a
> total useable weight or load capacity for crew and baggage of between 550
> and 480lbs (that is 250 - 218kg). Baggage capacity is 80 lbs /36kg and if
> you are touring you may well find you need all of that. And if you are to
> take a couple of average chaps of 185lbs/85kg you are clearly left making
> compromises which will be quite restricting if your build is on the heavy
> side even before you fit a heavy engine.
>
> Best wishes, David Joyce
>
>
> On 2020-12-23 11:05, Anthony Braun wrote:
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> Hi,
> New to the list. I just purchased a Europa project and am going with a non
> standard engine. What is the maximum safe dia. Prop with a tricycle gear or
> conventional tail wheel setup?
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| Subject: | B-nut loosening on oil fittings? |
Hi Group Has anyone ever had a B-nut loosen on a Rotax oil system? I have some
external retaining rings I can push onto the radiator and oil tank B-nuts and
safety wire, but wondering if I need or want to do so? Thx. Ron P.
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