---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/30/20: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:52 AM - Re: Re: Permit to test (Ian Cook) 2. 09:50 AM - Intercom (John Kirkgaard) 3. 10:44 AM - For Sale(5Pieces) Apple iPhone 12 5G 128GB Unlocked $4,395 (matt63867) 4. 11:18 AM - Re: For Sale(5Pieces) Apple iPhone 12 5G 128GB Unlocked $4,395 (Steve Ivell) 5. 11:19 AM - Intercom 2 (D McFadyean) 6. 12:49 PM - Re: Conventional Tail Dragger (Dave Disney) 7. 05:50 PM - Re: Intercom (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:40 AM PST US From: Ian Cook Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Permit to test Hi, I have used a wing tip holder (a person) with the O/Rs removed when ope rating from grass (as per a normal glider), however on hard surfaces, altho ugh there is still not much clearance between the ground and the down going aileron, I used the wing tip wheel and the wing lifts straight away, as th e A/C accelerates quickly, much sooner than on my Arcus M self-launching gl ider with its limited power to weight ratio. I have done quite a lot of gl iding but have not measured the performance gained with the O/R wheels remo ved. With prop feathered, U/C retracted, O/Rs and tip wheels fitted at 55 k nots IAS the glide is about 22.8:1, rate of sink 240 ft/m. There is a rapid increase in sink below 52 knots, so although it will fly down to the 42 kn ots (stall) the min sink just increases, so there is no point in flying too slowly unless the thermal is good with a very small core. The main concern while gliding is to total lack of visibility, when flying from the left-ha nd seat, into a right hand turn due to the mounting bar for the cockpit doo rs. If anybody knows of a bubble canopy installation on a Europa, I would be very interested? Still days in the UK are very rare, my ASI and PE erro rs were within a few knots, but the figures are as observed and not been co rrected for ISA standards. The cowling radiator hole need blocking up and a ll the leaks around the main U/C wheel and wing fairings need sorting as we ll as working wing tips rather than what Don did just to reduce to wing ben ding moment. It would then get to the advertised 25:1 or better? Regards Ian Cook -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of Alan Twigg Sent: 30 December 2020 06:53 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Permit to test Ian does use a wing runner with retracted outriggers, I am uncertain of per formance increase, I will ask him. Ian also flies an Argus, self launching glider with wingtip wheels, I used to fly such an aircraft, wingtip runners is the norm. Regards to all for the new year. Alan Sent from my iPad > On 29 Dec 2020, at 18:23, rparigoris wrote: > > > Hi Alan Does Ian retract outriggers manually and use a wing runner to lau nch? What's estimated performance increase retracted? Thx. Ron P. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforu > ms.matronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D499878%23499878&data=04%7C0 > 1%7C%7C01771d6e032b4e4b107d08d8ac903039%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa > aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637449082572443867%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4w > LjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdat > a=TfgrH9hqOS3pzRjRQV91ylVn3UHCJGrbSRQ26ycX5GU%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > > > 2F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&data=04%7C01%7C%7C01 771d6e032b4e4b107d08d8ac903039%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7 C637449082572443867%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2l uMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=gN6LeXiAJ63JwhghtLqK sxWjuD6m4OT7WLXgANsNK0w%3D&reserved=0 2F%2Fforums.matronics.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C01771d6e032b4e4b107d08 d8ac903039%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637449082572443867% 7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWw iLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=hd%2FhIp82mM0VoQkxnUOn1fkaqYdh8axnfr5jvF hh2ys%3D&reserved=0 2F%2Fwiki.matronics.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C01771d6e032b4e4b107d08d8 ac903039%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637449082572453822%7C Unknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=MFZsESkhNZ59VrwEL69x%2FdD9yygz3FV0TSY5fvoN Fbo%3D&reserved=0 2F%2Fwww.matronics.com%2Fcontribution&data=04%7C01%7C%7C01771d6e032b4 e4b107d08d8ac903039%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6374490825 72453822%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTi I6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=C041i0uPfDJo0k5se%2Bl0V9ibpjoJW B%2BRt1rHa7N3QoA%3D&reserved=0 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Intercom From: "John Kirkgaard" I'm in the process of refurbishing my instrument panel. Amongst others I'm replacing the com radio. In the old setup a 'Flightcom 403' (intercom) is installed. According to the manual of my new radio KRT2 it's possible to connect both headsets directly to the radio without a separate installed. Does that work well or are there any disadvantages omitting the Flightcom? Happy New Year to all of you. Regards John Kirkegaard Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=499910#499910 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:03 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: For Sale(5Pieces) Apple iPhone 12 5G 128GB Unlocked $4,395 From: "matt63867" Available Now, View Our Site For Best Price List!!! Company Name: Halgatetech Tel: +1-213-432-4350 Whatsapp: +1-213-460-5996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=499912#499912 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:32 AM PST US From: Steve Ivell Subject: Re: Europa-List: For Sale(5Pieces) Apple iPhone 12 5G 128GB Unlocked $4,395 How do we block the idiot trying to sell iPhones on this forum?? He's obvio usly got nothing to do with Europa's. Steve Ivell Managing Director Pestproof Ltd. steveivell@pestproof.co.uk 07971 128842 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of matt63867 Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 6:43:15 PM Subject: Europa-List: For Sale(5Pieces) Apple iPhone 12 5G 128GB Unlocked $ 4,395 Available Now, View Our Site For Best Price List!!! Company Name: Halgatetech Tel: +1-213-432-4350 Whatsapp: +1-213-460-5996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=499912#499912 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:30 AM PST US From: D McFadyean Subject: Europa-List: Intercom 2 Apologies for hijacking this thread (with attempt at vague title change). My VOX has failed on both circuits and I'm tired of listening to open mics. Can anyone point me to which bit (in the attached) to prod/replace? Duncan McF. > On 30 December 2020 at 17:48 John Kirkgaard wrote: > > > > I'm in the process of refurbishing my instrument panel. > Amongst others I'm replacing the com radio. In the old setup a 'Flightcom > 403' (intercom) is installed. > According to the manual of my new radio KRT2 it's possible to connect both headsets directly to the radio without a separate installed. > Does that work well or are there any disadvantages omitting the Flightcom? > > Happy New Year to all of you. > > Regards John Kirkegaard > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=499910#499910 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:49:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Conventional Tail Dragger From: "Dave Disney" Hi Keith, Contact me offline and I'll tell you where I am with this. Regards Dave Disney G-RJWX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=499919#499919 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:16 PM PST US From: Bud Yerly Subject: RE: Europa-List: Intercom John, I my 403 began to get fuzzy and it was replaced for a nominal fee (less tha n $60) by FlightCom/Sigtronics. No change to the panel or plug required. Although I prefer PS Engineering circuitry and interface, frankly, the PS E ngineering units are no better than the Sigtronics in operation. That said, all the new Com radios have a built in intercom. They are autom atic (but you know what automatic means, You Lose Control). They work well except: 1. Most of the new radios can be used in an intercom mode however, adjustm ents must be made in the setup mode. If you desire to change your squelch to make voice activation easier, be su re to read the manual, commit it to memory, and be prepared to be heads dow n in the cockpit for a bit. Research your radio on line and make a test ri g for your audio jacks to play with it. 2. The intercom is very clear but if set at ground squelch at idle, during takeoff you may hear nothing but static as many of these radios/intercoms do not automatically readjust to the increase in noise well. Consequently you have to set it for takeoff and then nearly yell to get the vox intercom to activate prior to engine start. 3. Not all dynamic microphones are created equal so if you and the Pax hav e different headsets/mics you must adjust the radio/intercom. 4. Most new radios have everything, blue tooth, music, telephone, aux inpu t, etc. Depending of course on the version and how much you want to pay. All these automatic units are neat but if the intercom fails internally, ca n you still transmit and receive raw radio or do you deselect the intercom (via the setup again)? Each radio is somewhat different. Each pilots control desires are differen t, as well as their tolerance for automatic systems that don't quite give y ou what you desire. Failure modes are not explained well at all. For the KRT series glider radios in a powered plane you set up thusly: 6.8.3 For motor planes *Press button AUD 2x for VOX: Set to VOX 3 (turn off). *Press button AUD 3x for TXm: Set to TXm**, or on condition. *Press button AUD 5x for EXT: Set to EXT 00 (turn off), or on condition. *Press button AUD 9x for MIC: o Set to MIC-Level 3 or as required o Set MC-R as required or to 1 if unused. *Leave the menu in position "L" (not AUTO). So one must easily only press the AUD switch a few (many) times in turbulen ce and power setting changes and punch a button to change levels, rather th an just adjusting the volume knob and squelch on the 403. So it comes down to personal choice. As far as intercom out information: I could find nothing on intercom failu re in the KRT manual and how the radio only behaves but I'm sure the ICS is bypassed and goes direct to radio. But never ASS-U-ME. Example in my aircraft: The GTR 200 ( I do not have the 200B) features a stereo integrated Intercom System (ICS). See the GTR 200/200B Installation Manual for installation and configuration details. Setting the ICS Volume: 1) Press the MENU key. Until ICS is illuminated. 2) Turn the LARGE Knob to highlight the ICS VOL field. 3) Turn the SMALL Knob clockwise to increase, or counter clockwise to decrease volume. Setting the ICS Squelch: 1) Press the MENU key. 2) Turn the LARGE Knob to highlight the ICS SQ field. 3) Turn the SMALL Knob clockwise to increase, or counter clockwise to decrease squelch. Turn the SMALL Knob one click counter clockwise past 0% to enable ICS auto squelch. NOTE: When Squelch is set to 0%, squelch is always open and when set to 100% squelch is always closed. Enable/disable Pilot Isolation: Press the Pilot Isolation Softkey if configured. Pilot Isolation mode is only available when the Pilot Isolation Softkey is configured. Although the Garmin is a wonderful radio, it is a Garmin, so there is a lot of button pushing outside of just frequency changes and volume if you desi re to use the intercom. I find I prefer to fiddle with the vox squelch IN FLIGHT to get the least dynamic mic volume to activate the vox 403 intercom . That is a personal preference. I have a Pipistrel Client that loves his Garmin internal ICS with their Dav e Clark headsets. However, they put up with the need to talk slightly loud ly on the ground to activate it, but it is fine in flight. It is a matter of preference. They have no idea how to change their settings, and that is fine with them. The Typical Flightcom/Sigtronics/PS Engineering intercoms are easy to adjus t/isolate/and listen to music over (at least that is what I'm told as I lis ten to the music o my 4 banger up front). THEREFORE I HAVE A STUPIC OLD IN TERCOM WITH AN ISOLATION SWITCH AND MONITOR SWITCH INSTALLED PER FLIGHTCOM. The Flightcom 403c can monitor or upon an incoming radio transmission, cu t out music/pax/or isolate pax audio depending on the optional monitor swit ch position. Have fun and pick one of your 20,000 compromises your aircraft is made up o f. You'll have to live with it. Best Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com On Behalf Of John Kirkgaard Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 12:49 PM Subject: Europa-List: Intercom --> > I'm in the process of refurbishing my instrument panel. Amongst others I'm replacing the com radio. In the old setup a 'Flightcom 4 03' (intercom) is installed. According to the manual of my new radio KRT2 it's possible to connect both headsets directly to the radio without a separate installed. Does that work well or are there any disadvantages omitting the Flightcom? Happy New Year to all of you. 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