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1. 12:49 AM - Europa Pub Night (BobD)
2. 01:31 AM - Re: Instrument Panels (John Wighton)
3. 02:11 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/20/21 (Terry Akeroyd)
4. 08:14 AM - Re: Instrument Panels (n7188u)
5. 12:14 PM - Re: Europa Pub Night (timward)
6. 12:25 PM - Re: Europa Pub Night (timward)
7. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: Aerodynamicist question - Bud Yerly (Pete Zut)
8. 12:35 PM - Re: Europa Pub Night (BobD)
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| Subject: | Europa Pub Night |
Don't forget to join the Europa Pub Night tomorrow. No religion or politics, just
a friendly discussion about everything Europa:
Time: Jan 22, 2021 19:30 UTC / Greenwich Mean Time
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89087340988?pwd=RVhLOEVPckQyWk80bmhyMlV3aEFYQT09
Meeting ID: 890 8734 0988
Passcode: 613926
Bob Dawson
Treasurer
The Europa Club
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Bob Dawson
Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || SmartAss3
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panels |
Chris,
We were looking at STC for Cert aircraft - using 3D printing as a manufacturing
method. The cost was very high (even with our own printer). Making new or replacing
old saggy panel coamings and adaptable panel fascias (in ABS or PETG)
is possible for experimental aircraft though.
My Europa panel is one-piece and the single biggest regret in 11 years of ownership
is not making a segmented version of the panel.
Printing ribs and stand-off (plus all the mounting holes, etc) means you gain a
great deal of stiffness and the end result has a lower mass. Being able to add
depth (both fwd and aft of the panel baseline datum) is a bonus - especially
if you are fitting deep avionics (like an SL30 which stick out of the centre
panel by about an inch.
As I now have a panel layout I like (mainly steam but with 2 off D10A) I will make
3D printed panel sections ready for retrofit.
Some info on the material others are using would be useful to the group.
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John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/20/21 |
I would like you to remove my details from your database please, I no longer have
any need for any information on Europa aircraft. Kind Regards Terry Akeroyd.
Sent from my iPhone
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> 1. 12:36 AM - Re: Europa aircraft is open? (olihqt)
> 2. 01:54 AM - Re: tacho ballast resistor question (Bill & Sue)
> 3. 06:50 AM - Re: Instrument Panels (n7188u)
> 4. 08:31 AM - Re: Aerodynamicist question - Bud Yerly (n7188u)
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> Time: 12:36:40 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa aircraft is open?
> From: "olihqt" <Olivier.hequet@neuf.fr>
>
>
> it's ok, I was able to join Karen.
>
> thank you
> Olivier
>
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> Time: 01:54:49 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: tacho ballast resistor question
> From: "Bill & Sue" <Billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
>
>
> Quite so, using the 220 resistor will do no harm at all, and I'd be surprised
if
> there was any discernable difference between that and the 270 resistor.
>
>
> DuaneFamly(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Roland, go ahead and use the resist do you have. Theres no concern with harming
> the meter as the resistor is simply dampening the input signal a little bit.
> The difference between the two will only make a minor difference in your reading.
> If you have access to an optical tachometer, you can verify your meter
> reading, as meters do tend to vary a bit.
>> Mike Duane N377EA
>> Europa XS Conventional Gear
>> Chandler, AZ, USA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 2:20 AM, Rowland Carson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Im wiring my Europa XS with a 912ULS engine. I have fitted the factory-supplied
> UMA tacho and am also taking the engine tacho output to a MGL E-3 engine
> instrument and a Smart Avionics CSC-1 prop controller.
>>>
>>> The UMA manual calls for a 270 resistor across the engine tacho output (if
> the readings are erratic). The MGL manual calls for 220 (and one is supplied).
>>>
>>> With no electronics shops open nearby in lockdown, its going to be awkward
> buying a single 270 resistor. Does anyone know if using the 220 resistor Ive
> got would make the UMA tacho unhappy? And conversely, would using a 270 make
the
> MGL instrument unhappy?
>>>
>>> in friendship
>>>
>>> Rowland
>>>
>>> | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
>>> | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk
>>> | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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> Time: 06:50:02 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Instrument Panels
> From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
>
>
> great idea Alan. Make me wonder if using a more robust 3D printing process such
> as the HP multifusion an actual useable 3D printed panel could be made. I think
> I would like to give that a try. So yes, if you can share the files I would
> appreciate that. Can you export them to DWG or DXF ? (so that they work with
> the CAD packages I have).
>
> Best Regards,
> Chris Martin
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500353#500353
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> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
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> Time: 08:31:04 AM PST US
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Aerodynamicist question - Bud Yerly
> From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
>
>
> As I approach the point were the first flight of my Europa will happen I really
> appreciate the information you posted in your last message.
>
> Unfortunately for me my taildragger (a Kolb Firestar) is not a three point landing
> aircraft since in the ground it's attitude is well beyond the stall point
> (and the high drag to low weight ratio of the plane killing the speed in a second).
> Trying to three point my Kolb always results in very hard landings.
>
> When I got my endorsement I was trained by a CFI that absolutedly hated two point
> landings (he flew Pitts and discouraged landing that airplane two point).
> When I used to fly gliders it was very common and a joy to plant the tail first
> in the ground before the main touched. But this was so because there was such
> a good margin between the attitude that allowed the tailwheel to be lower than
> the main before the airplane stalled. I was hoping for that to be the case
> for the Europa but per your posting I guess that may not be the case although
> I have to say I have seen pictures of Europas landing with a significant tail
> low attitude on short final. I guess that is as you refer to some people coming
> in slow on approach but I can see why that would not be the ideal case on a
> first flight. Well, I'm getting ahead of myself since not quite ready to fly
yet.
> Good posting though. I will for sure talk to you when the time comes.
>
> I include a picture of my plane when I took it out for some engine running and
> taxi test this weekend. I'm so happy its getting there!
>
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500354#500354
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> Attachments:
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/210119_chrism_europa_186.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument Panels |
John, Yes, cost is a big consideration. I will quote some of these panels to see
how it looks as well as some alternative like routed plastic.
My original panel design was segmented but due to cost and laziness just went for
hole sawed holes (which was so quick and easy to do) and for now the idea is
to create several overlays that are covered in the new CF lookalike wrap materials.
My LongEZ has the overlay covered with real CF but that is kind of time
consuming. The nice thing though is that transfer labels are placed in the CF
and then clear coated and it looks amazing.
My plan is to update the panel in the near future and maybe I can use the 3D printed
idea but, its just that right now, and idea.
I attach pictures of my panel design and what it looks like now. When I add the
overlays it will look somewhat like the model.
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Pub Night |
Bob,
Meeting never started? Couldn=99t join. Awaiting host to start meeting
.
Cheers,
Tim
Sent from my iPad
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
021 0640221
> On 21/01/2021, at 9:57 PM, BobD <rjdawson14@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Don't forget to join the Europa Pub Night tomorrow. No religion or politic
s, just a friendly discussion about everything Europa:
>
> Time: Jan 22, 2021 19:30 UTC / Greenwich Mean Time
>
> Join Zoom Meeting
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89087340988?pwd=RVhLOEVPckQyWk80bmhyMlV3aEFYQT
09
>
> Meeting ID: 890 8734 0988
> Passcode: 613926
>
> Bob Dawson
> Treasurer
> The Europa Club
>
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> Bob Dawson
> Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || SmartA
ss3
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500363#500363
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Pub Night |
Sorry, I see it is the 23rd for me. My apologies.
Tim
Sent from my iPad
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
021 0640221
> On 22/01/2021, at 9:14 AM, timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> =EF=BBBob,
> Meeting never started? Couldn=99t join. Awaiting host to start meeti
ng.
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand.
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> 021 0640221
>
>>> On 21/01/2021, at 9:57 PM, BobD <rjdawson14@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Don't forget to join the Europa Pub Night tomorrow. No religion or politi
cs, just a friendly discussion about everything Europa:
>>
>> Time: Jan 22, 2021 19:30 UTC / Greenwich Mean Time
>>
>> Join Zoom Meeting
>> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89087340988?pwd=RVhLOEVPckQyWk80bmhyMlV3aEFYQ
T09
>>
>> Meeting ID: 890 8734 0988
>> Passcode: 613926
>>
>> Bob Dawson
>> Treasurer
>> The Europa Club
>>
>> --------
>> Bob Dawson
>> Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || Smart
Ass3
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500363#500363
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| Subject: | Re: Aerodynamicist question - Bud Yerly |
Hi Chris,
FWIW,
For sure it is very possible to land tailwheel first. My landings are
typically TW first, and If I'm not too high I won't bounce the main too
much. ... it just seems to work out that way when I'm holding it off.
Cheers,
Pete
On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM n7188u <chmgarb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As I approach the point were the first flight of my Europa will happen I
> really appreciate the information you posted in your last message.
>
> Unfortunately for me my taildragger (a Kolb Firestar) is not a three point
> landing aircraft since in the ground it's attitude is well beyond the stall
> point (and the high drag to low weight ratio of the plane killing the speed
> in a second). Trying to three point my Kolb always results in very hard
> landings.
>
> When I got my endorsement I was trained by a CFI that absolutedly hated
> two point landings (he flew Pitts and discouraged landing that airplane two
> point). When I used to fly gliders it was very common and a joy to plant
> the tail first in the ground before the main touched. But this was so
> because there was such a good margin between the attitude that allowed the
> tailwheel to be lower than the main before the airplane stalled. I was
> hoping for that to be the case for the Europa but per your posting I guess
> that may not be the case although I have to say I have seen pictures of
> Europas landing with a significant tail low attitude on short final. I
> guess that is as you refer to some people coming in slow on approach but I
> can see why that would not be the ideal case on a first flight. Well, I'm
> getting ahead of myself since not quite ready to fly yet. Good posting
> though. I will for sure talk to you when the time comes.
>
> I include a picture of my plane when I took it out for some engine running
> and taxi test this weekend. I'm so happy its getting there!
>
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500354#500354
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/210119_chrism_europa_186.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Pub Night |
ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz wrote:
> Bob,
> Meeting never started? Couldnt join. Awaiting host to start meeting
Tim, in the Northern Hemisphere, it is still Thursday at the moment. There is another
23 hours before the meeting starts. Do join us at 19.30 GMT on Friday 22nd
January, I think it may be 07.30 your time on Saturday morning.
Best Regards
BobD
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Bob Dawson
Europa XS TG || 912 ULS || G-NHRJ || Dynon Skyview || PilotAware || SmartAss3
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