---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/08/21: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:39 AM - Re: Blocked Fuel Filters (JohnFrance) 2. 02:36 AM - Re: Blocked Fuel Filters (olihqt) 3. 04:14 AM - Re: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters (Mike) 4. 04:32 AM - Re: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters (James) 5. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters (Mike) 6. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters (James) 7. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters (Mike) 8. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters (James) 9. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters (Steve Ivell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:55 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters From: "JohnFrance" <77alembert@gmail.com> Hello David, I know you asked for details to your personal mail but it has become a public debate anyway so here is my two pennyworth. I use two Sytec PRO896 filters which have a 52 micron mesh as proposed by Europa in a main and reserve setup. I change them during the annual and check them at 25 hour intervals. Fortunately I have never seen more than a few specks of contamination in the filters and I am happy with their performance to date. My aircraft is kept in a hanger unless traveling so I have never seen any water contamination which could clog a filter of this size quite quickly I imagine. In this application the filter is there to protect the float needle valve and jets in the carburetter, if it gets clogged it's done it's job but the capacity was insufficient for the amount of contamination/hours of operation. -------- Europa mono Nr 192 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500592#500592 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:42 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters From: "olihqt" Hello David, I recently have a problem during take-off. Powerloss and the motor stop during the return to airfield. After inspection of the filters, I was discover some water and particules . I will replace the in-line filter by gascolator. Filters was fully clean and inspected 15h of flying ago. I use mogas and a electric pump with a filter to fill the tank. Actually, the hangar is very humide with big temperatures differences. I have lot of condensation. friendly Olivier F-PAKV 564 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500593#500593 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:20 AM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Bonjour Olivier Just picking up on something you mentioned in your reply, could you explain your electric fuel pump set up in some detail as I would be very interested in something that saves me lifting 20LTR cans. Especially as I have a classic with the filler on the top of the fuselage! Thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of olihqt Sent: 08 February 2021 10:36 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Hello David, I recently have a problem during take-off. Powerloss and the motor stop during the return to airfield. After inspection of the filters, I was discover some water and particules . I will replace the in-line filter by gascolator. Filters was fully clean and inspected 15h of flying ago. I use mogas and a electric pump with a filter to fill the tank. Actually, the hangar is very humide with big temperatures differences. I have lot of condensation. friendly Olivier F-PAKV 564 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500593#500593 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:32 AM PST US From: "James " Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Mike, Have you ever tried the Manual Hand operated Pressure Pump specially designed for Jerry Cans? tinyurl.com/Hand-Operated-Pressure-Pump I have one and it works well but for the Europa roof inlet I had to extend the original pipe. Regards James -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 08 February 2021 12:14 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Bonjour Olivier Just picking up on something you mentioned in your reply, could you explain your electric fuel pump set up in some detail as I would be very interested in something that saves me lifting 20LTR cans. Especially as I have a classic with the filler on the top of the fuselage! Thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of olihqt Sent: 08 February 2021 10:36 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Hello David, I recently have a problem during take-off. Powerloss and the motor stop during the return to airfield. After inspection of the filters, I was discover some water and particules . I will replace the in-line filter by gascolator. Filters was fully clean and inspected 15h of flying ago. I use mogas and a electric pump with a filter to fill the tank. Actually, the hangar is very humide with big temperatures differences. I have lot of condensation. friendly Olivier F-PAKV 564 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500593#500593 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:34 AM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Thanks James, I will have a look. I don't mind making a modification. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Sent: 08 February 2021 12:32 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Mike, Have you ever tried the Manual Hand operated Pressure Pump specially designed for Jerry Cans? tinyurl.com/Hand-Operated-Pressure-Pump I have one and it works well but for the Europa roof inlet I had to extend the original pipe. Regards James -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 08 February 2021 12:14 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Bonjour Olivier Just picking up on something you mentioned in your reply, could you explain your electric fuel pump set up in some detail as I would be very interested in something that saves me lifting 20LTR cans. Especially as I have a classic with the filler on the top of the fuselage! Thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of olihqt Sent: 08 February 2021 10:36 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Hello David, I recently have a problem during take-off. Powerloss and the motor stop during the return to airfield. After inspection of the filters, I was discover some water and particules . I will replace the in-line filter by gascolator. Filters was fully clean and inspected 15h of flying ago. I use mogas and a electric pump with a filter to fill the tank. Actually, the hangar is very humide with big temperatures differences. I have lot of condensation. friendly Olivier F-PAKV 564 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500593#500593 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:30 AM PST US From: "James " Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Mike, I actually purchased my hand pump from Flylight at the BMAA Flying Show @ Popham a few years ago. I've just checked their online shop and discovered that they also sell a 1m extension for their pump. See link below. https://www.shop.flylight.co.uk/ekmps/shops/140142/jerry-can-fuel-transfer-h and-pump---1-meter-extension-pipe-189-p.asp https://www.shop.flylight.co.uk/ekmps/shops/140142/jerry-can-fuel-transfer-h and-pump-1211-p.asp Regards James -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 08 February 2021 14:27 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Thanks James, I will have a look. I don't mind making a modification. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Sent: 08 February 2021 12:32 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Mike, Have you ever tried the Manual Hand operated Pressure Pump specially designed for Jerry Cans? tinyurl.com/Hand-Operated-Pressure-Pump I have one and it works well but for the Europa roof inlet I had to extend the original pipe. Regards James -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 08 February 2021 12:14 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Bonjour Olivier Just picking up on something you mentioned in your reply, could you explain your electric fuel pump set up in some detail as I would be very interested in something that saves me lifting 20LTR cans. Especially as I have a classic with the filler on the top of the fuselage! Thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of olihqt Sent: 08 February 2021 10:36 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Hello David, I recently have a problem during take-off. Powerloss and the motor stop during the return to airfield. After inspection of the filters, I was discover some water and particules . I will replace the in-line filter by gascolator. Filters was fully clean and inspected 15h of flying ago. I use mogas and a electric pump with a filter to fill the tank. Actually, the hangar is very humide with big temperatures differences. I have lot of condensation. friendly Olivier F-PAKV 564 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500593#500593 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:11 AM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Thanks again James, I've had a look and I have seen one of these before but was told that the pump cylinder connection point was weak, I was also thinking that the transfer rate might be poor but I have no concrete evidence that this is the case. I'm interested to know what yours has been like in use as I would be happy to give it a go. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Sent: 08 February 2021 15:37 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Mike, I actually purchased my hand pump from Flylight at the BMAA Flying Show @ Popham a few years ago. I've just checked their online shop and discovered that they also sell a 1m extension for their pump. See link below. https://www.shop.flylight.co.uk/ekmps/shops/140142/jerry-can-fuel-transfer-h and-pump---1-meter-extension-pipe-189-p.asp https://www.shop.flylight.co.uk/ekmps/shops/140142/jerry-can-fuel-transfer-h and-pump-1211-p.asp Regards James -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 08 February 2021 14:27 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Thanks James, I will have a look. I don't mind making a modification. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Sent: 08 February 2021 12:32 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Mike, Have you ever tried the Manual Hand operated Pressure Pump specially designed for Jerry Cans? tinyurl.com/Hand-Operated-Pressure-Pump I have one and it works well but for the Europa roof inlet I had to extend the original pipe. Regards James -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 08 February 2021 12:14 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Bonjour Olivier Just picking up on something you mentioned in your reply, could you explain your electric fuel pump set up in some detail as I would be very interested in something that saves me lifting 20LTR cans. Especially as I have a classic with the filler on the top of the fuselage! Thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of olihqt Sent: 08 February 2021 10:36 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Hello David, I recently have a problem during take-off. Powerloss and the motor stop during the return to airfield. After inspection of the filters, I was discover some water and particules . I will replace the in-line filter by gascolator. Filters was fully clean and inspected 15h of flying ago. I use mogas and a electric pump with a filter to fill the tank. Actually, the hangar is very humide with big temperatures differences. I have lot of condensation. friendly Olivier F-PAKV 564 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500593#500593 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:44 AM PST US From: "James " Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Yes Mike, the Pump Cylinder connection point is weak but if you're careful and gentle (not rough) with it, it's fine. As regards the flow rate; I use mine in conjunction with a Mr. Funnel (with built in Water Filter) Funnel, the pump's flow rate easily out-runs the funnel's flow rate. I've never tried it with a standard funnel as I would never use a funnel without a water filter! Regards, James -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 08 February 2021 16:47 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Thanks again James, I've had a look and I have seen one of these before but was told that the pump cylinder connection point was weak, I was also thinking that the transfer rate might be poor but I have no concrete evidence that this is the case. I'm interested to know what yours has been like in use as I would be happy to give it a go. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Sent: 08 February 2021 15:37 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Mike, I actually purchased my hand pump from Flylight at the BMAA Flying Show @ Popham a few years ago. I've just checked their online shop and discovered that they also sell a 1m extension for their pump. See link below. https://www.shop.flylight.co.uk/ekmps/shops/140142/jerry-can-fuel-transfer-h and-pump---1-meter-extension-pipe-189-p.asp https://www.shop.flylight.co.uk/ekmps/shops/140142/jerry-can-fuel-transfer-h and-pump-1211-p.asp Regards James -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 08 February 2021 14:27 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Thanks James, I will have a look. I don't mind making a modification. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Sent: 08 February 2021 12:32 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Mike, Have you ever tried the Manual Hand operated Pressure Pump specially designed for Jerry Cans? tinyurl.com/Hand-Operated-Pressure-Pump I have one and it works well but for the Europa roof inlet I had to extend the original pipe. Regards James -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 08 February 2021 12:14 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Bonjour Olivier Just picking up on something you mentioned in your reply, could you explain your electric fuel pump set up in some detail as I would be very interested in something that saves me lifting 20LTR cans. Especially as I have a classic with the filler on the top of the fuselage! Thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of olihqt Sent: 08 February 2021 10:36 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Hello David, I recently have a problem during take-off. Powerloss and the motor stop during the return to airfield. After inspection of the filters, I was discover some water and particules . I will replace the in-line filter by gascolator. Filters was fully clean and inspected 15h of flying ago. I use mogas and a electric pump with a filter to fill the tank. Actually, the hangar is very humide with big temperatures differences. I have lot of condensation. friendly Olivier F-PAKV 564 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500593#500593 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:38 PM PST US From: Steve Ivell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Hi Mike I've had one for ages. The transfer rate is fine and once you get it going it will siphon. Yes the pipe where the pump attaches looks a bit weak but mine has lasted a ges. If I was clever I'd graft on a shraeder valve and pressurise the jerry can using a pumped up old car tyre. Kind Regards Steve Ivell GSTES....90% finished....90% left to do 07971 128842 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mike Sent: Monday, 8 February 2021, 16:54 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Thanks again James, I've had a look and I have seen one of these before but was told that the pump cylinder connection point was weak, I was also thinking that the transfer rate might be poor but I have no concrete evidence that this is the case. I'm interested to know what yours has been like in use as I would be happy to give it a go. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Sent: 08 February 2021 15:37 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Mike, I actually purchased my hand pump from Flylight at the BMAA Flying Show @ Popham a few years ago. I've just checked their online shop and discovered that they also sell a 1m extension for their pump. See link below. https://www.shop.flylight.co.uk/ekmps/shops/140142/jerry-can-fuel-transfer- h and-pump---1-meter-extension-pipe-189-p.asp https://www.shop.flylight.co.uk/ekmps/shops/140142/jerry-can-fuel-transfer- h and-pump-1211-p.asp Regards James -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 08 February 2021 14:27 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Thanks James, I will have a look. I don't mind making a modification. Cheers Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Sent: 08 February 2021 12:32 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Mike, Have you ever tried the Manual Hand operated Pressure Pump specially designed for Jerry Cans? tinyurl.com/Hand-Operated-Pressure-Pump I have one and it works well but for the Europa roof inlet I had to extend the original pipe. Regards James -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: 08 February 2021 12:14 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Bonjour Olivier Just picking up on something you mentioned in your reply, could you explain your electric fuel pump set up in some detail as I would be very interested in something that saves me lifting 20LTR cans. Especially as I have a classic with the filler on the top of the fuselage! Thanks Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of olihqt Sent: 08 February 2021 10:36 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Blocked Fuel Filters Hello David, I recently have a problem during take-off. Powerloss and the motor stop during the return to airfield. After inspection of the filters, I was discover some water and particules . I will replace the in-line filter by gascolator. Filters was fully clean an d inspected 15h of flying ago. I use mogas and a electric pump with a filter to fill the tank. Actually, the hangar is very humide with big temperatures differences. 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