---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/13/21: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:05 AM - Re: Re: Cable securing from instrument board and aft - IDEAS??? (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 2. 02:19 AM - door assembly sequence (Rowland Carson) 3. 03:05 AM - Re: door assembly sequence (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 4. 08:22 PM - Plastic cable conduit for electrical cabling (Fred Klein) 5. 08:33 PM - Re: door assembly sequence (fklein@orcasonline.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:41 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Cable securing from instrument board and aft - IDEAS??? Ron, I like the idea of supporting the sill and anything suggested by Nev has status second only to utterances by Ivan. Like many mono pilots I have taken to getting in and out of my plane from in front of the wing with a phase of sitting on the sill part of the process. over the years the gel coat below the sill developed longitudinal cracks which might well have been avoided by an interior section of fibreglass forming a conduit. Having said that I am not clear that you actually need conduits in most parts of the plane. If you are going to line the cockpit with any light material then wires can simply be stuck neatly in the line under the sill or wherever and the lining material simply lightly glued over it. Building light should be high in your priorities. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ (914/WoodcompCS/mono/full panel +autopilot, initial ready for service weight 833lbs) On 2021-03-13 00:13, rparigoris wrote: > > Hi Alan I glassed a piece of Balsa to not only enclose a conduit, but > add support to sill. Nev gave me this hint. > http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=86882 Ron > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=500950#500950 > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:19:53 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: door assembly sequence Ive got the doors hinged and fitting nicely, with the shoot bolts etc all operating in a pleasing fashion. The manual gives the next step as fitting the seals, then the glazing and finally the gas struts. Im not sure about fitting the seals before the glazing - Im wondering if the door frames are stiff enough on their own to compress the seals sufficiently and evenly all round. My instinctive feeling is to fit the glazing first to stiffen the door structure and then fit the seals. I welcome any comments about this proposed departure from whats recommended in the manual. If its a really bad I idea, please tell me! in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:11 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: door assembly sequence Roland, Following the manual did it for me. The seals do not create great pressure on the frame. After all you have to be able to pull the doors more or less closed before operating the push bolts. But in any case it is very easy to take the seals off again if you feel they are getting in the way. David, GXSDJ On 2021-03-13 10:19, Rowland Carson wrote: > > > I've got the doors hinged and fitting nicely, with the shoot bolts etc > all operating in a pleasing fashion. > > The manual gives the next step as fitting the seals, then the glazing > and finally the gas struts. > > I'm not sure about fitting the seals before the glazing - I'm wondering > if the door frames are stiff enough on their own to compress the seals > sufficiently and evenly all round. > > My instinctive feeling is to fit the glazing first to stiffen the door > structure and then fit the seals. > > I welcome any comments about this proposed departure from what's > recommended in the manual. If it's a really bad I idea, please tell me! > > in friendship > > Rowland > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:50 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: Plastic cable conduit for electrical cabling In addition to concealing wires heading aft, I wanted to stiffen the door sill; I used a quarter round section cut from plastic pipe as a mold using 3 layers of BIDfore and aft of the sill, I used a half round pipe as a mold using layers of BIDas a transition, I carved and sanded a piece of foam as a mold, overlade w/ 2 layers of BID as a transition which I secure w/ a few dabs of silicone. I did use piece of very lightweight, flexible 3/4=9D irrigation pipe to conceal wires leading to an overhead console; pipe was wrapped with 3 layers of BID to stiffen the =9Croll bar=9D, fwiwall in all, tidy enough. pixs below. Fred A194 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:50 PM PST US From: "fklein@orcasonline.com" Subject: Re: Europa-List: door assembly sequence As I have always planned to just splatter-paint the cockpit interior (which I did prior to glazing) I never considered attaching the seals beforehandI suppose I could have, but I=99ve deviated from the build manual recommendations for sequencing on many occasionse.g., using clecos to delay bonding on the top until the last possible momentno regrets thereFred > On Mar 13, 2021, at 2:19 AM, Rowland Carson wrote: > > > > I=99ve got the doors hinged and fitting nicely, with the shoot bolts etc all operating in a pleasing fashion. > > The manual gives the next step as fitting the seals, then the glazing and finally the gas struts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.