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1. 10:16 AM - AVmap EFIS Ultra feedback please (CruisingEuropa)
2. 11:37 AM - Question for European friends re E10 car fuel (JonathanMilbank)
3. 01:45 PM - Re: Question for European friends re E10 car fuel (Dave Disney)
4. 01:46 PM - Charge warning light (William Daniell)
5. 02:24 PM - Re: Question for European friends re E10 car fuel (JonathanMilbank)
6. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: Question for European friends re E10 car fuel (Steve Ivell)
7. 03:56 PM - FW: Charge warning light (Bud Yerly)
8. 04:02 PM - Re: Question for European friends re E10 car fuel (JonathanMilbank)
9. 04:32 PM - Re: Charge warning light (rparigoris)
10. 10:16 PM - Re: Cruise speed data for Monowheel with 912ULS (Griffo)
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Subject: | AVmap EFIS Ultra feedback please |
Has anyone installed an AVmap EFIS Ultra - see https://avionics.avmap.it/en/products/ultra-efis/?
Any issues with swinging the compass, or calibrating the unit
due to interference from other avionics, or from the Rotax engine? Many thanks.
Jan
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Subject: | Question for European friends re E10 car fuel |
Fellow Europa pilots and pilots of all aircraft fitted with Rotax 912 engines throughout
the European union. Please tell me if you are happily using E10 fuel
from petrol stations without ill effects.
Until this year we in the UK have been using E5 car fuel, but have been officially
informed that from September the garage fuel pumps and nozzles will be showing
E10. Of course this is causing some concern and discussion in the flying
community, with many stating that they will feel forced to start using UL91 which
between 40% and 50% more expensive per litre.
Someone was telling me today that EU pilots have been using E10 for many years
without noticeable problems. Is this true? Thank you.
Jonathan
Europa Classic G-EIKY
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Subject: | Re: Question for European friends re E10 car fuel |
Hi Jonathan,
My understanding is that the Rotax 912 series is perfectly OK using E10 fuel, it's
the other items in the fuel system that you need to consider such as the fuel
tank, fuel lines, electric pump, gascolator, etc.
But why use E10 when there are forecourt alternatives that have no ethanol?
Depending on your location in the UK, Esso Synergy Supreme +99 has no ethanol and an octaine rating of 99 see here https://www.esso.co.uk/en-gb/fuels/petrol. I have been used Esso Supreme since 2013 and checked every batch for ethanol - there is none.
Although I haven't checked, I understand that some other 'premium' fuels are ethanol
free. Don't be fooled by the labels on the pumps 'E5' means up to 5% ethanol,
so some are ethanol free. Premium grade fuels do not have to change to E10
yet, check the forecourts and you will see that the premium fuels are still
labelled E5.
My advice is to check out your local supplies of Premium grade fuels and check the ethanol content yourself using one of these https://www.parts4aircraft.com/alcohol-in-fuel-tester
It's also worth checking SL-912-016R2 from Rotax
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Subject: | Charge warning light |
I have standard z 16
I have a charge warning light and a dynon efis and ems
This morning the charge light stayed on for about 5 mins albeit glowing not
lit. Normally it goes out within 1 min. The dynon said 13.8v and 6 amps
from start up and my battery charging amps were normal also.
Does this mean anything apart from some kind of fault with the light? For
example do these symptoms mean that my regulator about to give up?
Thanks
Will
William Daniell
+1 786 878 0246
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Subject: | Re: Question for European friends re E10 car fuel |
Hi Dave,
My question is about Europa aircraft as a whole, although perhaps I should have
been more specific. Most people I know in the Europa family and several others
using Rotax engines in different aircraft types, have no qualms at all about
E10 in their engines. As you say, it's the "the fuel tank, fuel lines and electric
pump" which give more concern.
But I've been informed that there's no such thing as ethanol free car petrol such
as Esso Synergy Supreme and other "super unleaded" brands in the whole of Scotland
and parts of Northern England, which all get their fuel from the Grangemouth
refinery regardless of brand name. From September this year, all car petrol
from Grangemouth will continue to have ethanol of at least 5% and 10% in
ordinary unleaded.
Furthermore a friend's Eurofox experienced partial engine failure after take-off
due to using Esso Synergy Supreme from a local garage, probably stale fuel due
to low sales turnover. He only just managed to get back onto the runway unscathed!
After flushing out the fuel system and filling with ordinary E5 unleaded,
there's never been another missed beat in his engine.
So my question remains to be answered by EU pilots and particularly Europa owners
who have been using E10 for many years, as far as I know. Please let me know
if you've heard of any problems experienced by any pilot and/or Europa owner
after using E10 petrol for a long time. Problems not only to do with carburettor
icing and vapour lock, but also the fuel tank, fuel lines and electric pump.
Thank you.
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Subject: | Re: Question for European friends re E10 car fuel |
How can you or the Eurofox pilot be certain it's down to the fuel being sta
le?? It could be vapour lock, water in fuel etc, etc.
We all have anecdotal tales of "fuel" problems but there are many possibili
ties and blaming stale fuel is a bit lame TBH.
Kind Regards
Steve Ivell
07971 128842
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Subject: Europa-List: Re: Question for European friends re E10 car fuel
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Hi Dave,
My question is about Europa aircraft as a whole, although perhaps I should
have been more specific. Most people I know in the Europa family and severa
l others using Rotax engines in different aircraft types, have no qualms at
all about E10 in their engines. As you say, it's the "the fuel tank, fuel
lines and electric pump" which give more concern.
But I've been informed that there's no such thing as ethanol free car petro
l such as Esso Synergy Supreme and other "super unleaded" brands in the who
le of Scotland and parts of Northern England, which all get their fuel from
the Grangemouth refinery regardless of brand name. From September this yea
r, all car petrol from Grangemouth will continue to have ethanol of at leas
t 5% and 10% in ordinary unleaded.
Furthermore a friend's Eurofox experienced partial engine failure after tak
e-off due to using Esso Synergy Supreme from a local garage, probably stale
fuel due to low sales turnover. He only just managed to get back onto the
runway unscathed! After flushing out the fuel system and filling with ordin
ary E5 unleaded, there's never been another missed beat in his engine.
So my question remains to be answered by EU pilots and particularly Europa
owners who have been using E10 for many years, as far as I know. Please let
me know if you've heard of any problems experienced by any pilot and/or Eu
ropa owner after using E10 petrol for a long time. Problems not only to do
with carburettor icing and vapour lock, but also the fuel tank, fuel lines
and electric pump. Thank you.
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Subject: | Charge warning light |
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Subject: | Re: Question for European friends re E10 car fuel |
Hello Steve,
One of the joint owners of the Eurofox said he gave it to a daughter (or granddaughter,
not sure) who is a scientist in the petrochemical industry, to be tested.
I never saw the results, but was given to understand that the fuel was stale.
Furthermore when the fuel was put into a mower, the mower wouldn't run.
After the Eurofox only just managed to land unscathed back on the runway, I personally
got involved with the draining and fuel replacement and saw the samples
taken for testing. Naturally the garage owner hotly denied any suggestion that
his tank was to blame.
This was all personally witnessed.
And I still want European pilots and owners of EU based aircraft with Rotax engines,
either Europas or other types to answer please. Experiences, anecdotal or
otherwise, from UK sources aren't what I'm after, although I appreciate your
concern. Thank you.
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Subject: | Re: Charge warning light |
Hi Will
I'm not flying yet with my 914 but went with a B&C AVC1 for several reasons. Using
an Earth-X battery and can set voltage setpoint and low voltage warning to
be in tune with LiFe battery as Bud mentioned.
As far as your problem, if I wanted to keep the Ducati regulator (for a while anyway)
check the fast on connectors. For a while Rotax was not supplying the best
Fast-Ons. If you begin to get a bad connection a lot of heat will build up
at that connection due to high resistance. You can buy a B&C AVC1 field kit that
includes phosphor bronze fast ons.:
file:///C:/Users/PARIGO~2/AppData/Local/Temp/Replacement_Regulators_for_the_Rotax.pdf
Change at minimum the two yellow AC connections. Clean all blades on regulator,
slight bend all fast ons to give a little more tension. I put on a dab of CRC
2-26 for good measures with a make up cotton applicator:
https://www.amazon.com/Pointed-Cotton-Double-Precision-Makeup/dp/B07Q4RW17G/ref=asc_df_B07Q4RW17G/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=385587032845&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11942724094879087823&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9004516&hvtargid=pla-840098427530&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=77764998959&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=385587032845&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11942724094879087823&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9004516&hvtargid=pla-840098427530
BTW these work great for precision application of grease like on wing lift pins
and sockets etc.
AFC-50 could be used.
Depending on your battery, you can increase voltage set-point. If you put a diode
in series with the sense wire, it will raise voltage. For AGM 14.2 or so or
with LiFe you could go a tad higher. Start with 1 diode in series, you could
add two in series. I must mention I haven't tried it, but was planning on it if
I used Ducati. A regular diode has a higher voltage drop compared with a shottky.
If one wasn't enough and two in series was too much, I was planning on tying
one regular and one schottky.
Chances are B&C AVC1 is a little more efficient compared to Ducati, but best as
Bud mentioned keep either cool.
I have mine living in a box on top of the starboard footwell with ambient air being
fed from the top of the 914 air cleaner NACA plenum. I have an electric fan
to keep box reasonably cool after shut down or during taxi.
Good luck.
Ron P.
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Subject: | Re: Cruise speed data for Monowheel with 912ULS |
My point is:Very simple. If you can not be absolutely sure what RON the fuel you
are putting into your tank, you would be advised to be conservative with your
engine tuning
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