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Sun 05/30/21


Total Messages Posted: 12



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 07:55 AM - Re: How to disconnect flap actuator from FL26 (Bud Yerly)
     2. 10:53 AM - Re: How to disconnect flap actuator from FL26 (Chris Callicott)
     3. 12:54 PM - Re: Lifted aircraft nose. (John Kirkgaard)
     4. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Lifted aircraft nose. (Bud Yerly)
     5. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: How to disconnect flap actuator from FL26 (Bud Yerly)
     6. 02:25 PM - Re: How to disconnect flap actuator from FL26 (Chris Callicott)
     7. 04:14 PM - Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine (Erich Trombley)
     8. 06:28 PM - Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine (Pete)
     9. 07:37 PM - Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine  (Kingsley Hurst)
    10. 07:54 PM - Airfoil Profiles (Area-51)
    11. 08:38 PM - Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine  (Kingsley Hurst)
    12. 08:59 PM - Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine  (timward)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:55:05 AM PST US
    From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: How to disconnect flap actuator from FL26
    Chris, In the XS you probably have batteries, or ELT equipment and of course rudde r cables nearby the servo floor attachment. It is highly likely that no provision or access panel has been made over th e flap actuator in the baggage bay floor or through the floor supports. This is a travesty of failure to plan for future maintenance and proper eng ineering I=92m afraid, and is done for expedient construction in the manual . Of course in some countries this may be a major modification and one has to go to the approving authority or be approved by an inspector. Do so. In a stock XS: Remove the cotter pin and nut. Use a cloth or something as a dam to preven t loss of the spacers/washers when ready to pull the AN 4-23 bolt. Failure to do this may result in hours of hunting for parts dropped. Procure an angle drill and small hole saw or similar to simply bore through the wood support to gain sufficient clearance to remove the bolt outboard. Disconnect the linear drive actuator from the flap bar and unplug/disconnec t the wiring. Again, standing on one=92s head in the baggage bay, reach in and undo the b olt connecting the actuator to the flap cross bar using appropriate sockets and extension, mirrors, lights and patience. I prefer to do this with the wings off and use an assistant to peer through the flap tube arcs in the fuselage side and hand me tools. Installation is as frustrating as removal. I always make a plug for my flap drive for troubleshooting and maintenance. These linear drives rarely fail, but can. "If you make it convenient to maintain, easy to access, it seems it will ne ver fail." Below is how I do my baggage bay floors to assure access. Normally a 4 inc h hole in the floor and the hole in one of the ribs is done during construc tion only as needed to gain access and provide a viewing hole. Ensure your country modification procedures are followed. In the US I simp ly made sure I had access. If you make a hole in an airplane or support, o ne must assure the reinforcement is as structurally sound. Bud Yerly [Diagram Description automatically generated] -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matr onics.com> On Behalf Of Chris Callicott Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 6:54 PM Subject: Europa-List: How to disconnect flap actuator from FL26 et.com<mailto:c.callicott1@btinternet.com>> Hi, l I need to replace my electric flap actuator, ie both motor and lead screw assembly. However, the mounting bracket FL26 is bonded and bolted to the f uselage floor (Build manual 28T). Removal of the AN4-23 bolt is not possibl e owing to location of the baggage bay supporting structure. Please advise how to remove the existing actuator. Read this topic online here: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.ma tronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D502107%23502107&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9 623b238d35c43c3a8f008d922f5277d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0% 7C637579258582850019%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2 luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=k0Na6IakXfRfJvmjAhN GYmfd0Im1JNd8EUy%2BPRd%2Ff0k%3D&amp;reserved=0 %2Fwww.matronics.com%2FNavigator%3FEuropa-List&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9623 b238d35c43c3a8f008d922f5277d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6 37579258582860013%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luM zIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=fI1qejVvYV1USFmN3r1c7e MA5eok1RVbdfsDney%2BvYc%3D&amp;reserved=0 %2Fforums.matronics.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9623b238d35c43c3a8f008d9 22f5277d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637579258582860013%7C Unknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=5bUiCjnPt%2FmxkxUb3H%2FW38ku2ZLJLzPChfjVPK s%2F7G8%3D&amp;reserved=0 %2Fwiki.matronics.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9623b238d35c43c3a8f008d922 f5277d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637579258582860013%7CUn known%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJ XVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=giDkDPAzA9vUAuRPX3sBOvnkeguvdCbbgVnGtnbg%2Bm 8%3D&amp;reserved=0 %2Fwww.matronics.com%2Fcontribution&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9623b238d35c43c 3a8f008d922f5277d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637579258582 860013%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6 Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=qZQc9GFm8w6xzGP%2B6AVO4XOzY06rPiW PAHdd276JjAQ%3D&amp;reserved=0


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    Time: 10:53:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: How to disconnect flap actuator from FL26
    From: "Chris Callicott" <c.callicott1@btinternet.com>
    Hi Bud, Thanks for your response. I concur with your views. I am on the final lap of a 2 year restoration when the actuator failed on a shakedown flight. I may have to drill a hole in one of the baggage bay support panels in order to remove the AN4-23 bolt from FL26. This may allow me to change to motor and retain the existing lead screw. If I can access the other end of the lead screw with the wings and flaps removed from the fuselage, I will swap out the complete actuator. I would appreciate your view on whether or not this is possible. Many thanks for your notes, published on the Europa Club site. They have already been hugely helpful. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502128#502128


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    Time: 12:54:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Lifted aircraft nose.
    From: "John Kirkgaard" <john.kirkegaard@gmail.com>
    Thanks to you Bud, for your reply. I checked the bolts through the nose leg a while ago, and found the bolts to be damaged and the holes elongated. I have enlarged the bolt holes reamed them to match some new shoulder bolts and making sure that there is a very tight fit. The nylon friction disc seems to be worn even. Seems like it is possible to make acceptable landings if I just take care. Turning the nose wheel 180 degree will result in a distance of 80 mm between the prop tip and the top of the wheel spat. Not much space for movement if I lover it 50 mm, but on the other hand, if I turn the the wheel backwards I may not be in a situation where the plane is moving up and down. During start I could imagine, that the plane will try to get into the air, despite insufficient air speed. Could that be the situation? Regards John Kirkegaard Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502131#502131


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    Time: 01:44:39 PM PST US
    From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Lifted aircraft nose.
    Well John sounds like you have it under control. As I said, it is important to make sure you flare it out to preserve the nose gear from hitting first. As far as cutting the nosewheel pant when turned 180 degrees with the prop, if doing a static ground run at full power the nose can compress the nose down (more so with the bungee rather than the springs) and perhaps reduce the clearance between prop and pant. Best Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of John Kirkgaard Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 3:54 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Lifted aircraft nose. Thanks to you Bud, for your reply. I checked the bolts through the nose leg a while ago, and found the bolts to be damaged and the holes elongated. I have enlarged the bolt holes reamed them to match some new shoulder bolts and making sure that there is a very tight fit. The nylon friction disc seems to be worn even. Seems like it is possible to make acceptable landings if I just take care. Turning the nose wheel 180 degree will result in a distance of 80 mm between the prop tip and the top of the wheel spat. Not much space for movement if I lover it 50 mm, but on the other hand, if I turn the the wheel backwards I may not be in a situation where the plane is moving up and down. During start I could imagine, that the plane will try to get into the air, despite insufficient air speed. Could that be the situation? Regards John Kirkegaard Read this topic online here: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.matronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D502131%23502131&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Caa033b985aa347c2ee4608d923a53f54%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637580014900963647%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=HH25YxuPi8gzjzQjO1AnN5qIJziKO4OjzIFFupvoDD8%3D&amp;reserved=0


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    Time: 01:48:54 PM PST US
    From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: How to disconnect flap actuator from FL26
    Chris, I have not changed out the motor in the XS actuator I'm afraid. The manufacturers name is on the motor normally and if you can read it, they can supply the info. On my Motion industries linear actuator I bought a kit from them with new brushes and it was fairly easy to repair. Best Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> On Behalf Of Chris Callicott Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 1:54 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: How to disconnect flap actuator from FL26 Hi Bud, Thanks for your response. I concur with your views. I am on the final lap of a 2 year restoration when the actuator failed on a shakedown flight. I may have to drill a hole in one of the baggage bay support panels in order to remove the AN4-23 bolt from FL26. This may allow me to change to motor and retain the existing lead screw. If I can access the other end of the lead screw with the wings and flaps removed from the fuselage, I will swap out the complete actuator. I would appreciate your view on whether or not this is possible. Many thanks for your notes, published on the Europa Club site. They have already been hugely helpful. Read this topic online here: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.matronics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D502128%23502128&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C73ab1fc53f8f437cfdbb08d92394683c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637579942569719708%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=c7w3vevaAjfqtacnVRHLxCjGr62e150P%2FyE%2BXXMHU8M%3D&amp;reserved=0


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    Time: 02:25:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: How to disconnect flap actuator from FL26
    From: "Chris Callicott" <c.callicott1@btinternet.com>
    Thanks once again Bud. I will follow up on a repair kit. BW, Chris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502135#502135


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    Time: 04:14:39 PM PST US
    From: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
    Subject: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine
    Hi Tim, Good to hear from you. Yes, lets meet up at OSH. So looking forward to the event. I flew to SNF this year which was a great primer for OSH. Cheers, Erich > > Time: 02:09:34 PM PST US > From: timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine > > Great comments Erich. I can stand by everything you have said. > Meet up again next Oshkosh, if planned to go ahead, and I have been vaccinat > ed! > Cheers, > Tim > > Sent from my iPad > Tim Ward > 12 Waiwetu Street, > Fendalton, > Christchurch, 8052 > New Zealand. > ward.t@xtra.co.nz > 021 0640221 ____________________________________________________________ Sponsored by https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_taglines_more Christian Diet Guru, 6 Others Die When Plane Goes Into Lake http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c049c2cd1bf95ba6st04vuc1 Tensions Shake Commemoration of Tulsa Race Massacre http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c04bf7561bf95ba6st04vuc2 Poll: 23% of Republicans Are QAnon Believers http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c04e316d1bf95ba6st04vuc3


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    Time: 06:28:52 PM PST US
    From: Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine
    Lucky Guys! Ill be watching online, as borders still closed and no second vax before aug. ill be there in spirit tho! Have a blast! PeteZ :) > On May 30, 2021, at 7:21 PM, Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com> wrote: > > > Hi Tim, > > Good to hear from you. Yes, lets meet up at OSH. So looking forward to the event. I flew to SNF this year which was a great primer for OSH. > > Cheers, > Erich > >> >> Time: 02:09:34 PM PST US >> From: timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine >> >> Great comments Erich. I can stand by everything you have said. >> Meet up again next Oshkosh, if planned to go ahead, and I have been vaccinat >> ed! >> Cheers, >> Tim >> >> Sent from my iPad >> Tim Ward >> 12 Waiwetu Street, >> Fendalton, >> Christchurch, 8052 >> New Zealand. >> ward.t@xtra.co.nz >> 021 0640221 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Sponsored by https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_taglines_more > > Christian Diet Guru, 6 Others Die When Plane Goes Into Lake > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c049c2cd1bf95ba6st04vuc1 > Tensions Shake Commemoration of Tulsa Race Massacre > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c04bf7561bf95ba6st04vuc2 > Poll: 23% of Republicans Are QAnon Believers > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c04e316d1bf95ba6st04vuc3 > > > >


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    Time: 07:37:35 PM PST US
    From: Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan@westnet.com.au>
    Subject: Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine
    Sent from my iPhone > On 31 May 2021, at 9:21 am, Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com> wrote: > > > Hi Tim, > > Good to hear from you. Yes, lets meet up at OSH. So looking forward to the event. I flew to SNF this year which was a great primer for OSH. > > Cheers, > Erich > >> >> Time: 02:09:34 PM PST US >> From: timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine >> >> Great comments Erich. I can stand by everything you have said. >> Meet up again next Oshkosh, if planned to go ahead, and I have been vaccinat >> ed! >> Cheers, >> Tim >> >> Sent from my iPad >> Tim Ward >> 12 Waiwetu Street, >> Fendalton, >> Christchurch, 8052 >> New Zealand. >> ward.t@xtra.co.nz >> 021 0640221 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Sponsored by https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_taglines_more > > Christian Diet Guru, 6 Others Die When Plane Goes Into Lake > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c049c2cd1bf95ba6st04vuc1 > Tensions Shake Commemoration of Tulsa Race Massacre > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c04bf7561bf95ba6st04vuc2 > Poll: 23% of Republicans Are QAnon Believers > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c04e316d1bf95ba6st04vuc3 > > > >


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    Time: 07:54:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Airfoil Profiles
    From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
    Can anyone on the forum tell me what main wing and tailplane profiles are used on the Europa? Thanks in advance... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=502141#502141


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    Time: 08:38:18 PM PST US
    From: Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan@westnet.com.au>
    Subject: Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine
    Sorry about the empty email ..... dog jerked on the lead and swish, away it went prematurely. Re Oshkosh ..... are you people talking this year? There is no chance of my making it this year ..... if I could get out of the country it is doubtful I would get back home again. My sons and I do however plan to attend next year 2022 all things being equal so I hope there will still be some Europhiles around then. It is on my bucket list to attend an Engineering meeting! Cheers Kingsley in Oz. Do not archive Sent from my iPhone > On 31 May 2021, at 9:21 am, Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com> wrote: > > > Hi Tim, > > Good to hear from you. Yes, lets meet up at OSH. So looking forward to the event. I flew to SNF this year which was a great primer for OSH. > > Cheers, > Erich > >> >> Time: 02:09:34 PM PST US >> From: timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine >> >> Great comments Erich. I can stand by everything you have said. >> Meet up again next Oshkosh, if planned to go ahead, and I have been vaccinat >> ed! >> Cheers, >> Tim >> >> Sent from my iPad >> Tim Ward >> 12 Waiwetu Street, >> Fendalton, >> Christchurch, 8052 >> New Zealand. >> ward.t@xtra.co.nz >> 021 0640221 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Sponsored by https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_taglines_more > > Christian Diet Guru, 6 Others Die When Plane Goes Into Lake > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c049c2cd1bf95ba6st04vuc1 > Tensions Shake Commemoration of Tulsa Race Massacre > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c04bf7561bf95ba6st04vuc2 > Poll: 23% of Republicans Are QAnon Believers > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c04e316d1bf95ba6st04vuc3 > > > >


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    Time: 08:59:47 PM PST US
    From: timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine
    Hi Kingsley, I was only trying to be positive about going to Oshkosh this year as you are right, it does sound implausible. We are scheduled to have the vaccination i n August but delays are now likely. I will only go if vaccinated. 2022 sound s great. Cheers, Tim Sent from my iPad Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz 021 0640221 > On 31/05/2021, at 3:45 PM, Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan@westnet.com.au> wrote : > net.com.au> > > Sorry about the empty email ..... dog jerked on the lead and swish, away i t went prematurely. =F0=9F=98=9F > > Re Oshkosh ..... are you people talking this year? > > There is no chance of my making it this year ..... if I could get out of t he country it is doubtful I would get back home again. > > My sons and I do however plan to attend next year 2022 all things being eq ual so I hope there will still be some Europhiles around then. It is on my b ucket list to attend an Engineering meeting! > > Cheers > Kingsley in Oz. > > Do not archive > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 31 May 2021, at 9:21 am, Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com> wrot e: >> y@juno.com> >> >> Hi Tim, >> >> Good to hear from you. Yes, let=99s meet up at OSH. So looking fo rward to the event. I flew to SNF this year which was a great primer for OS H. >> >> Cheers, >> Erich >> >>> >>> Time: 02:09:34 PM PST US >>> From: timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> >>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machin e >>> >>> Great comments Erich. I can stand by everything you have said. >>> Meet up again next Oshkosh, if planned to go ahead, and I have been vacc inat >>> ed! >>> Cheers, >>> Tim >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> Tim Ward >>> 12 Waiwetu Street, >>> Fendalton, >>> Christchurch, 8052 >>> New Zealand. >>> ward.t@xtra.co.nz >>> 021 0640221 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Sponsored by https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&u tm_campaign=rss_taglines_more >> >> Christian Diet Guru, 6 Others Die When Plane Goes Into Lake >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c049c2cd1bf95ba6st04vuc1 >> Tensions Shake Commemoration of Tulsa Race Massacre >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c04bf7561bf95ba6st04vuc2 >> Poll: 23% of Republicans Are QAnon Believers >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/60b41c04e316d1bf95ba6st04vuc3 >> >> >> >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >




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